AROS vs traditional Amiga vs SAM

[bloodline]

jahc wrote:

In that case, my ASUS mobos are Amigas. They run AF quiet nicely and it's an official Licensed product of Amiga Inc.

Well the difference is that WinUAE is emulation.. but still, if I had an Amithlon box, I'd probably refer to it as "my Amiga" too.

With all due respect here... but really what makes the difference between emulation and native now...?

I say this as someone who loves to fire up his A500 and marvel at what those Crazy Amiga guys managed back exactly 20 years ago today...

But for serious usage... well you know what I mean :-)

[jahc]

With all due respect here... but really what makes the difference between emulation and native now...?

Well, I guess it doesnt really matter, the end result is more or less the same. I guess it matters to some people, which is why I mentioned it.

[Gebrochen]

Actually I noticed a few differences right away. My loading time to get into xp versus amiga are substantially reduced, so mcuh though, I dont even have time to take off a t-shirt and amiga is already loaded.
With my xp it was like I could change my whole outfit.

Another difference, would be the fact that it actually loads directly amiga, versus, having to see that pittyful windows loading sequence, then running the emulate ontop of windows, hence, IT ISNT AN AMIGA.

ANother note here, I had nothing but problems when I wanted to run simple things like IBrowse, Sound, Playing a dvd, couldnt burn correctly, all this from emulation.

NOW, with my SAM440EP and Amiga os4.1, I can burn just as fast as easy as windows, I can watch dvd's with no frame skipping, and, I am not running ontop of another platform.

to keep it short, IT ALL WORKS, versus, EMulation whereby one is never sure if one can even use it to look at the web, as it might decide to have a fit.

BEST TO NOTE, I dont have to wait for my machine to shut down, my shutdown sequence is quick, it involves pushing the off button when I want to stop using it. UNlike xp, whereby your waiting another 30 seconds to a minute for it to turn off, what a load of {bleep} OS. XP controls the user, whereby with an Amiga OS, the user controls the OS.

There, DONE. Goodbye, and no more arguing over this shet, you either have a sam440ep running AMiga on it, then you can make bold comments, or you dont, and for those that dont, (EDIT) SHUT (*.*.) Up! and stop winging about it.
Sorry had to edit that, didnt want to sound too negative.

Cheers

And hopefully many happy amiga times lie ahead for all users, be it classic, or modern hardware.

[Gebrochen]

@ Bloodine:
@ Dammy:

Can you guys please tell me what Amiga's you guys own, Im just curious?
I have noticed that the users on any of the forums that are really proud to be amiga users, have a listing as their signature. So, Does that mean you guys, and people like you, only use your amigas once a week? once a month?

I could be wrong here, but, it is something that I have been noticing.

Cheers.
 :-D

[bloodline]

Gebrochen wrote:
@ Bloodine:
@ Dammy:

Can you guys please tell me what Amiga's you guys own, Im just curious?

1 A500
2 A600s
1 A1200 + BlizzPPC + BVision
1 A1200 (kept for spare parts)
1 A1000 (in process of restoration)

1 Mini-ITX for use with AROS

UAE on my Macs
WinUAE on my PC

I have noticed that the users on any of the forums that are really proud to be amiga users, have a listing as their signature. So, Does that mean you guys, and people like you, only use your amigas once a week? once a month?

I could be wrong here, but, it is something that I have been noticing.

Cheers.
 :-D

Last used my Amiga A1200 just under a year a go when doing some music production work at home, to get some dirty 8bit sampling and a few sequences in OctaMed... But by the time I moved the project to the studio I was using UAE on my Mac, for Octamed and did all the rest of the sampling using Logic Pro and the bitcrusher in there...

[drHirudo]

takemehomegrandma wrote:
Perhaps they made as many as 50 in the first batch? And now another 50?

Your troll posts are getting really boring now. I know there  are more than your wild trollish estimation, because I know more than 51 people who bought SAM. Any other wild, irrelevant, unbiased, non informative sentences you have to add to the thread, before going to MorphZone?
Believe it or not, AmigaOne hardware with AmigaOS 4.1 is more interesting to the people than ever before and the OS you are suggesting in your avatar. SAM is AmigaOne hardware btw, because it runs AmigaOS 4, and that was one of the specifics of the AmigaOne hardware. Even Dammy seems to be interested in AmigaOS now, but that is may be only infiltration to be able to trash it even more than before?

[drHirudo]

Shutdown is one of the biggest issues and I HATE it on the systems not being Amiga. I hate it on Windows and I hate it on Linux. Many times when I am in hurry to get away and have to shut down, in non Amiga computers I always have to wait till the computer is really turned off, because many times when I simply press the off button, some apps is not closed, or some process and the shutdown is not finished and the computer works for whole night, or even weekend. On the Amiga I simply turn it off. Even if my Amiga saves me only 2 minutes per day, for a year that is more than 10 hours - more than a working day, saved by the Amiga, only by the shutdown process. ;-)

[Amithony]

drHirudo wrote:
Shutdown is one of the biggest issues and I HATE it on the systems not being Amiga. I hate it on Windows and I hate it on Linux. Many times when I am in hurry to get away and have to shut down, in non Amiga computers I always have to wait till the computer is really turned off, because many times when I simply press the off button, some apps is not closed, or some process and the shutdown is not finished and the computer works for whole night, or even weekend. On the Amiga I simply turn it off. Even if my Amiga saves me only 2 minutes per day, for a year that is more than 10 hours - more than a working day, saved by the Amiga, only by the shutdown process. ;-)

You may laugh, but if the package can be done right, there will probably be other areas where time is saved. Is it possible it will ever be as common as a PC again?

[persia]

I believe the sales/production figures are estimated to be around 1300 copies of AmigaDos 4.1, almost all of which are Sam boards.  Hyperion aren't a publicly traded company nor are Acube, so you sort of have to calculate using their hints and some well place leaks.  I wouldn't be surprised to see final totals around 2K.

Given that new Amiga sales have been zero for a decade and a half, this is a significant number, enough to prove that Amiga still can exist as a hobbyist computer.  

[paolone]

drHirudo wrote:
Shutdown is one of the biggest issues and I HATE it on the systems not being Amiga. I hate it on Windows and I hate it on Linux. Many times when I am in hurry to get away and have to shut down, in non Amiga computers I always have to wait till the computer is really turned off, because many times when I simply press the off button, some apps is not closed, or some process and the shutdown is not finished and the computer works for whole night, or even weekend. On the Amiga I simply turn it off. Even if my Amiga saves me only 2 minutes per day, for a year that is more than 10 hours - more than a working day, saved by the Amiga, only by the shutdown process. ;-)

Really, do you stay in front of your PC when it's shutting down? I generally cast the command and go away, letting it... stop the procedure 'cos "there is this program which doesn't allow Windows to shut down. Should I terminate it right now?" (no, sort of a silly operating system, don't close it now. Why did I decide to turn off the PC, instead?), so many times I found it still turned on when I come back again. :lol:

Getting serious, there is a motivation for the shutdown procedure, and this motivation is integrity of filesystem. We all love caching systems 'cos they speed up dramatically loading of files and apps, however we pay this with the necessity of shutdown procedures. FAT32, NTFS and EXTn filesystems can suffer from sudden power offs and, maybe this can be a news for some of you, Amiga filesystems too! If you turn off your Amiga during a write process, you can mess up many things. And, when you turn it on again, you'd surely prefer a proper shutdown procedure which would have avoided this.

When I use my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1, I feel the lack of a "shutdown" option in Workbench. SAM is an ACPI aware machine, powered by a standard ATX supply, so I can't understrand why I shouldn't be able to turn if off with my mouse, like I'm doing for years on PC and I ever did on Mac. This doesn't mean there should be a long boring shutdown procedure, but at least a simple one which checks if there are processes accessing to the drives and silently stop them before turning everything off, should be mandatory in year 2008.

PS: AROS just adeed one a week ago.

[drHirudo]

FAT32, NTFS and EXTn filesystems can suffer from sudden power offs and, maybe this can be a news for some of you, Amiga filesystems too! If you turn off your Amiga during a write process, you can mess up many things. And, when you turn it on again, you'd surely prefer a proper shutdown procedure which would have avoided this.

When I use my SAM with AmigaOS 4.1, I feel the lack of a "shutdown" option in Workbench. SAM is an ACPI aware machine, powered by a standard ATX supply, so I can't understrand why I shouldn't be able to turn if off with my mouse, like I'm doing for years on PC and I ever did on Mac. This doesn't mean there should be a long boring shutdown procedure, but at least a simple one which checks if there are processes accessing to the drives and silently stop them before turning everything off, should be mandatory in year 2008.

PS: AROS just adeed one a week ago.

On my Amiga 1200 and Amiga4000 and later on my AmigaOne I have several power cuts while writing files (downloads) but I downloaded them to SFS partition and never had any loss of data with this filesystem. While shutdown is a good feature on the systems, it does not prevent a filesystem crash in a power cut - for power cuts there is UPS but one at the office is big and noisy, and I don't want such monster at home.
By your logic, if the FileSystems are expecting a proper shutdown procedure, then a simple power cut can bring them down and cause data loss. I prefer the SFS design which does not assume power shutdown and it saved me files and loss of data many times.
I remember having a power cut on a Windows machine some months ago, while doing an Excel table. While the result was not loss of the file, the data in it was messed so I didn't know what is recent and what is old entries. On the Amigas sometime I even don't care is something is downloaded. But it is good to watch your Amiga HD led, while turning it off.

[paolone]

persia wrote:
Given that new Amiga sales have been zero for a decade and a half, this is a significant number, enough to prove that Amiga still can exist as a hobbyist computer.  

The day that Amigas around will be only PPC boards (no more classic hardware to support), and Amigans will get a more modern and robust API, it won't be necessarily a "hobbyst computer" only.

[dammy]

by Gebrochen on 2008/11/24 20:59:17

Can you guys please tell me what Amiga's you guys own, Im just curious?

Well, I would ask you to define what an "Amiga" is first but I won't.  I own a A500 plus my purchased AF.

Dammy

[ferrellsl]

Oh my gosh, what a lame thread.  Would a moderator please close and lock this thread?!  Totally off track and mostly flame wars.......good grief.  With supporters like this, the Amiga is doomed.

[drHirudo]

ferrellsl wrote:
Oh my gosh, what a lame thread.  Would a moderator please close and lock this thread?!  Totally off track and mostly flame wars.......good grief.  With supporters like this, the Amiga is doomed.

I believe you are posting in a wrong thread, mate.

[Piru]

@paolone

MorphOS supports shutdown on Pegasos2 and EFIKA (and Mac Mini).

In fact, MorphOS calls the resethandlers before powering down. This way for example AmIRC will quit before the system actually shuts down.

The shutdown is lightning fast, too. If there are no slow resethandlers around the shutdown is immediate.

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