Good News Is Here (OS 4.1&SAM440 amigakit.com)

[skurk]

Andeda wrote:
Sounds like we have the same problem, how do you spend 600e so that your wife dont know about it??

I have no idea yet.  Don't ask me about women, I'm having major problems understanding the one I live with.

I guess I will get the blessing if I sell some of the other computers, though.  Maybe the 4000/060/PIV setup will have to go. :C

[Painkiller]

Well you can always remind her how much she has used money on shopping clothes and other "important" stuff for women. Thats how I do it always Tough I'm not gonna buy a SAM as I have Mac Mini and Efika on my table.

[BillE]

xeron wrote:
www.digitaluniverse.org.uk

Thanks for the plug :-)

Version 1.6 development is currently in progress.


Bill.

[Gebrochen]

hahahahhahahahahahahha

 :-D

hhahahahhahhahahhaha

Awesome {sheit}.

Accidentally got off the phone with someone special, and ah, looks like Ive secured the SAM and os4.1 for me.  :-P

May take two weeks though to get down here from europe.  :-?

@ All
the sam440ep comes with four sata connectors already correct?? Just double checking this:
Silicon Image 4 Serial ATA ports

AND

Would 1 of these gfx card be working for the SAM440ep with os4.1?
nVIDIA GeForce FX5500 256MB PCI FX 5500 VIDEO CARD NEW
OR
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9250 128 MB PCI VGA / DVI / TV OUT
OR
RADEON X1550 256MB PCI STD & LOW PROFILE VGA & DUAL DVI

which one is best suited for my upcoming system??

Cheers.  8-)

[zylesea]

recidivist wrote:
And how many people paid $599 USD in 1983 for a Commodore 64 ?

Or my $900 Radio Shack Model I in 1979?

The Sam is much less expensive in terms of computer performance ;it is looking expensive because the mass market IBM compatibles are so cheap.

Sam perhaps should be compared with Apple Computers as being a  niche market item..

But in 1983 a several times faster computer was not avaialable for half the price of the C64...

[DavidF215]

countzero wrote:
>Hmm I really wonder how this will compare to Efika with Morphos 2.0

It's better. It's AmigaOS.

ferrellsl wrote but many others have also mentioned:
>Unless Acube and Hyperion can come up with some kind of discount/bundle then OS4 on the SAM will remain out of reach of most Amiga enthusiasts.

Oh, good grief. It's a new system. It'll come down in price. ACube just had a sell of other PPC boards, so these new boards will be no different in time. The same thing was said about the AmigaOne when it was released, but people bought nevertheless.

ferrellsl wrote:
>At that price I can easily get a COMPLETE x86 system WITH a decent LCD monitor.
Yea, well, I've had my fill of x86 and Windows. The SAM is also less expensive than the original A4000, so it's not *that* bad.

[Hans_]

@Gebrochen

Would 1 of these gfx card be working for the SAM440ep with os4.1?
nVIDIA GeForce FX5500 256MB PCI FX 5500 VIDEO CARD NEW
OR
POWERCOLOR RADEON 9250 128 MB PCI VGA / DVI / TV OUT
OR
RADEON X1550 256MB PCI STD & LOW PROFILE VGA & DUAL DVI

which one is best suited for my upcoming system??

Cheers.  8-)

Forget anything nVidia; they won't give the OS4 devs the specifications, and they won't write Amiga OS drivers themselves. Currently, there is no driver for the Radeon x1550. I'm working on a driver, but it's going to take a while, so don't bother waiting for it (particularly as 3D support will take even longer).

The Powercolor Radeon 9250 should work, as should any other Radeon 9xxx series card.

Hans

[Trev]

@matthey

I don't think anyone actually believes OS4 (or any other Amiga-like operating system) will directly compete with Windows. In truth, they're not even viable Windows replacements for enthusiasts.

It is true, however, that the days of hardware differentiation are over. There's nothing about the SAM440, Efika, AmigaOne, Pegasos, et al that sets them apart from any other platform, PowerPC or otherwise. It's just a frustrating attempt at continuing the marketing practices of yesteryear.

Whether or not OS4 would be successful on x86 is arguable, but it would at least guarantee deliverability to 100% of the Amiga userbase. I'm sure someone, somewhere has run the numbers. That could explain why Amiga, Inc. put what resources they had behind Amiga Anywhere and outsourcing, i.e. there's no money in OS4 as a general purpose operating environment.

[Hans_]

@Trev

The OS4 dev team does not have the resources to make an x86 port at this point in time. Such a port would be a huge task.

Hans

[AeroMan]

I would take my time porting to PS3 and/or XBox. It would be easier to do, and more powerful than x86.

But I´m really happy with the Sam news. I just need to gather some cash...

[Trev]

@Hans_

I know, and I think it was a mistake to stick with PowerPC in the first place. Of course, what's to prevent them from porting the operating environment to an existing kernel on another platform?

@AeroMan

I'm itching for a PS3 port, too ("more powerful" is questionable), although one presumes Hyperion would still have significant hurdles to overcome, particularly where parallel processing is concerned. The hardware is certainly at a price point most enthusiasts can afford.

My favorite dream option: port OS4 to a portable hypervisor and add native hardware support where it makes sense.

[Andeda]

skurk wrote:

Andeda wrote:
Sounds like we have the same problem, how do you spend 600e so that your wife dont know about it??

I have no idea yet.  Don't ask me about women, I'm having major problems understanding the one I live with.

I guess I will get the blessing if I sell some of the other computers, though.  Maybe the 4000/060/PIV setup will have to go. :C

That wont work for me, i already sold my A3000 so that i could buy my macbook 1 month ago.. now if i spend another 600:- to  buy a sam440, my wife would kill me  :-)

[arnljot]

Trev wrote:
My favorite dream option: port OS4 to a portable hypervisor and add native hardware support where it makes sense.

Oh, you mean like OS5? (chuckles, I couldn´t help it - sorry mate

Now, I agree - a PS3 port would kick the lover back, also known as @zz.

I think SAM+4.1 is great news. No hw/sw deadlock anymore.

And for the PS3 port, it doesn´t have to support SPE to begin with.

[dammy]

The OS4 dev team does not have the resources to make an x86 port at this point in time. Such a port would be a huge task.

Nor do they have the license to do so.

Dammy

[Trev]

I don't think Hyperion is too concerned about what they do or don't have a license to do. As far as they're concerned, they own OS4 and have a perpetual license to use the Amiga OS trademark.

I think OS4 will eventually go the way of all other "cool" Amiga things though, e.g. Amithlon and the new Amiga Guru Book: some middle aged hacker will get butt hurt and rather than act like a reasonable adult and resolve their issues, they'll whine and complain and stop sharing. ;-)

[persia]

As to what happens in the court case it's hard to say.  The original contract with Amiga Inc/Amino had an insolvency clause and as Amino was deregistered as a company it would seem to be satisfied.  The only reason Amino didn't completely collapse earlier was because of the questionable tactic of transferring assets to a shell (KMOS).  

It's further complicated by the original Amiga Inc's deal being a license rather than an ownership and that the AMiga name and IP (if any remains) still belongs to Gateway.

Even if KMOS/Amiga Inc win there is a clear argument that Hyperion has a reasonable belief that the Insolvency clause was broken and that will have to be mitigated.

Bottom line, my heart hopes for Hyperion win, my mind says their will be a complicated settlement that will only lead to more court cases until both KMOS and Hyperion have spent their wads on lawyers..

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