Wither Natami?

[bloodline]

kolla wrote:

I happen to be British also, and I too would perfer to not be refered to as European... because I'm not.

So what continent do you come from then?

You have to be pretty uptight and stupid to believe that the British isles are not part of Europe just because you dont fancy EU or whatever. If you as Brits are not European, then _noone_ is European.

And please stop changing the meaning of words, sheesh!

You have to be pretty uptight not to get deadpan British humour

Sheesh; How American!

[amigadave]

the_leander wrote:

Sounds to me that Amiga for you has become something of a holy grail, less about a computer and more of an ideal then anything tangible. Not a bad way to look at things I suppose.

Guess I was wrong about you afterall.

Thank you for considering that I might not be the fool you thought I was, or your enemy.

I am neither.

I would not exactly put it the way you did, the Amiga is not a Holy Grail for me, but it is an ideal of computing elegance & genius that should have succeeded, but did not.

For me the next "Big Step" in computing is not here yet.  Think of something closer to the HAL9000 from Stanley Kubrick's "2001 - A Space Odyssey".  The shrinking and making more portable of technology that we already have does not "float-my-boat", though it is convenient and a bit interesting.  I hope I am around to see the next leap forward in computing, by my standards.  It will be fun to interact with a certain level of artificial intelligence far beyond what we have today in appliances, robotics, transportation, commerce, etc.  I think the next step in that direction will be the continuing work on improving voice recognition for input. Typing will soon no longer be the primary method of computer input everywhere.  I already talk to the computer in my car.

For now I am content to tinker with my old Classic Amigas and actively support my recent choice of Amiga-Like OSes with cash, code and what ever else I can help with.  I try to read about other happenings in the computer world, but I know if anything really interesting happens and I miss seeing it at first, it will trickle down to me eventually.

Although I can be very persistent and loud in expressing my opinion from time to time, I get the loudest when I feel other's opinions might be getting squashed or trampled.  It is just an annoying trait of mine.

I would like to apologize to everyone who has witnessed my frustration in this thread at trying to express my POV and the retaliation of harsh words which occurred.  I wish I could say it will be the last time it will ever happen. I really wish it would be, but I know myself too well.

Edit: I am descended from the British, English and Welsh.  My family tree includes two very famous Englishmen, Winston Churchill and Walt Disney.

[the_leander]

kolla wrote:

I happen to be British also, and I too would perfer to not be refered to as European... because I'm not.

So what continent do you come from then?

You have to be pretty uptight and stupid to believe that the British isles are not part of Europe just because you dont fancy EU or whatever. If you as Brits are not European, then _noone_ is European.

And please stop changing the meaning of words, sheesh!

There is nothing and no one here changing words except you, who seems to insist on being able to inform people what their nationality is based on continental plates.

We are not European because it is simply not part of our identity, our culture has very little in common with any other country in Europe, or indeed with America.

Oh and the whole all or nothing thing, knock it off, it makes you look an even bigger prat then you do for thinking yourself capable of telling other people what their nationality is based on either geo political ties or tectonic plates.

It's just not cricket old bean  :-D


@ the rest of the people reading this thread.


I would like to take this oportunity to apologise sincerly and most humbly... For invoking the name of Athiest and thereby encourage him to post in this thread.

I hope, in time, that you will be able to forgive me  :-(

PS, told you I wasn't making a crack about someones religous beliefs  :lol:

[alexh]

amigadave wrote:
Think of something closer to the HAL9000 from Stanley Kubrick's "2001 - A Space Odyssey".

Not going to see that within your lifetime.

amigadave wrote:
The shrinking and making more portable of technology that we already have does not "float-my-boat", though it is convenient and a bit interesting.

I dunno, the technological leaps in low power and batteries that are being developed from the commercial success of mobile phones is very cool. Just shows what can be accomplished if it makes money.

amigadave wrote:
I hope I am around to see the next leap forward in computing, by my standards.  It will be fun to interact with a certain level of artificial intelligence far beyond what we have today in appliances, robotics, transportation, commerce, etc.

Unfortunately I do not think you (or I) will be here to see that.

amigadave wrote:
I think the next step in that direction will be the continuing work on improving voice recognition for input. Typing will soon no longer be the primary method of computer input everywhere.  I already talk to the computer in my car.

Full voice recognition is a commercial flop and so a lot of the research into it was cancelled about 10 years ago. The consumers were not comfortable talking to their equipment, it was pretty useless in the office environment. With no commercial driving force, only dictation software and Voice Tags in phones have been funded (and both are still pretty crap). The same thing happened with video phone. Technologically possible for many, many years but not developed due to lack of commercial success or interest.

It is a shame but consumerism is still the driving force for computer development.

What is going to happen is more likely a textual and optical interface. We are already starting to see very natural multi-touch interfaces and at university we developed cursor technology which followed where you were looking.

But I think we can see the keyboard present for the rest of our lives. Just look at the tablet PC. IMHO an amazing move forward that just did not take off due to the poor quality software support and such a love of the keyboard.

If I can make a prediction for the future... the next revolution in computer interaction will be the 2nd information revolution. The first revolution was the internet, opening up almost unlimited information at the click of a button to anyone at a workstation... soon it will be information ANYWHERE at the click of a button. But more importantly it will become accepted, as much as having the internet at home is today.

Anyone who has their computer in the living room will tell you how consumer orientated this is. Something comes on TV, or in conversation and you can look up the details on the net instantly.

I would still like to think there is a possibility that SMART devices (household devices like the fridge, cooker, TV etc. all on the internet) could still take off... but I said that 10 years ago and they were a commercial flop

I'd still like an interactive Tesco ordering system on the fridge or the ability to buy items in TV adverts and in shows via mail order at the click of a button.

[the_leander]

Think of something closer to the HAL9000 from Stanley Kubrick's "2001 - A Space Odyssey".

Ah, so, no memory protection there then either - bonus being that when it guru's it'll blooter ya  ;-)

Seriously though, not a bad thing I suppose, AI is definately cool though I'm none too sure as to how far along such research is at the moment. The last AI stuff I played with was, whilst quite clever not something that'd beat a turing test.

[Hans_]

the_leander wrote:

Think of something closer to the HAL9000 from Stanley Kubrick's "2001 - A Space Odyssey".

Ah, so, no memory protection there then either - bonus being that when it guru's it'll blooter ya  ;-)

Seriously though, not a bad thing I suppose, AI is definately cool though I'm none too sure as to how far along such research is at the moment. The last AI stuff I played with was, whilst quite clever not something that'd beat a turing test.

Cutting edge AI is still a long way of from real intelligence. AI is just so much more complex than anyone originally thought.

Hans

[shoggoth]

SamuraiCrow wrote:
Actually the PC chip makers were about 3 years later since they couldn't write hardware-accelerated drivers until Windows 95 came out.

AFAIK even Windows 3.11 supported accelleration for stuff like window blitting etc. VGA cards we're getting pretty sophisticated by this time, with accelleration for blitting, line drawing, cursor etc etc.

While the A500 was a revolutionary computer, the 1200 was evolutionary. AGA wasn't a big step forward, it was basically a few extra bitplanes and a larger palette. Instead of looking forward, Commodore tried to squeeze a few bucks out of something that was basically designed - what - 7 years earlier.

[amigadave]

the_leander wrote:

Think of something closer to the HAL9000 from Stanley Kubrick's "2001 - A Space Odyssey".

Ah, so, no memory protection there then either - bonus being that when it guru's it'll blooter ya  ;-)

Seriously though, not a bad thing I suppose, AI is definately cool though I'm none too sure as to how far along such research is at the moment. The last AI stuff I played with was, whilst quite clever not something that'd beat a turing test.

My memory isn't protected, why should I require my computer to have it's memory protected?  :lol:

I know that unless the medical profession comes up with some real miracle, I won't see HAL9000, but I do think I will be around to see computers in more and more consumer items I use every day.  

I can envision having fingerprint and/or voice recognition open the door to my home for me, lighting turned on and off, or adjusted by voice commands as well as what is already available with motion sensors, things like that, which are already possible now, but will be refined and commonplace in a few years.  I already have some Amiga hardware and software stashed somewhere that is designed for home automation, that I plan on setting up soon.  The other home automation ideas will come as my programming skill improve, but it will be simple stuff and I expect commercial products to expand much faster than my automation programming skills.

So that is what I was thinking of when I referenced the HAL9000.  That plus the chess games of course.

[Atheist]

I believe, and have said this before, that AI has a better chance of progressing on a low overhead OS system and FLEXIBLE system as AOS is.

No memory protection and self modifying code I think are assets to the field of Artificial Intelligence. Only drawback of AOS is that it can't use the entire 4 GBs of address space for SW.

64 bit is desirable, but non-implementable without a recompile. Besides, there isn't a 64 bit 68000 series CPU.

NatAmi's Achilles Heel is 256 Megs fast, 16 MB chip vs 1.5 GBs fast, 16 Megs chip ram and also not being able to do 1080P in the 1st run of the motherboard. It should also have a MIDI port too. USB MIDI may not react properly if that bus is flooded.

NatAmi60 may be the first wristwatch computer.

Imagine running all Amiga SW in a voice activated watch!!!!!

[Atheist]

Correct this statement if it's wrong:

AOS is the ONLY OS that can restart running in RAD: independent of ANY external devices.*


* Devices being: floppy disk, hard disk CD, DVD, CF card, swap files, etc. etc.

[SamuraiCrow]

@Atheist

The RAD: reboot option will not be needed badly if the Natami comes with a big enough FLASH memory for a HUGE KICKSTART that holds most of the OS.  You're RAD: device will only need the s: directory since most of the rest of the OS will be running from the Kickstart.  This would also free up most of the memory from having to contain anything other than applications.

[B00tDisk]

Atheist wrote:
Correct this statement if it's wrong:

AOS is the ONLY OS that can restart running in RAD: independent of ANY external devices.*


* Devices being: floppy disk, hard disk CD, DVD, CF card, swap files, etc. etc.

You're so wrong about that - and everything else computer related you've ever posted - that it hurts to read.

[Piru]

No memory protection and self modifying code I think are assets to the field of Artificial Intelligence.

How exactly?

[the_leander]

B00tDisk wrote:

Atheist wrote:
Correct this statement if it's wrong:

AOS is the ONLY OS that can restart running in RAD: independent of ANY external devices.*


* Devices being: floppy disk, hard disk CD, DVD, CF card, swap files, etc. etc.

You're so wrong about that - and everything else computer related you've ever posted - that it hurts to read.

+++ QFT

[alexh]

Atheist wrote:
Correct this statement if it's wrong:

AOS is NOT the only OS that can restart running in RAD: independent of ANY external devices. ;-)

My Atari ST is happily using one.

[the_leander]

Woo, and bonus points for using an Atari as the example  :lol:

...And the crowd goes wild!

 :-D