MorphOS 2.0 Released

[bloodline]

ffastback wrote:

motorollin wrote:

No, he's just trying to understand the appeal and purpose of the machine, which is fair enough. Better that than consider it pointless and keep that opinion to oneself rather than explore it and possibly learn something.

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moto

I'm sorry moto but I must respectfully disagree.  He throws around labels like "apologists" and "zealots" way too easily, which is insulting.    

Do you consider yourself either of these types of people?

He is unaccepting that any OS can be about a hobby.  

Not at all, I run many many Operating Systems... It is to some degree a hobby.

Yet ironically he has AROS as a part of his sig and bought a machine to run it.

Not ironic at all. I bought a very cheap tiny board because I wanted to build a small form factor machine... which I could then use to play with various Operating Systems of my choice... there are plenty of Hobby operating system to download and run on it.

My personal favorite, for various reasons, happens to be AROS.

He demeans the efforts of the creator of Skyos saying it "is nothing".  Yet for all we know that developer maybe simply gets a kick out of the mental exercise involved.  

SkyOS only costs €29, but I wouldn't find it either interesting or useful anymore... I used to play with it when it was free.

Maybe if he were to calm down on the demeaning labels I could take him more seriously.  

Then feel free to use whichever labels you wish.

But the way he has taken the conversation in my view, it would be the same as if I were to start off a conversation with him by saying, hey bloodline why do you have a $25 haircut with that sprig of hair in front of your face?  

Actually, I didn't charge myself anything or the time taken to run the clippers around the back and sides of my head... I'm clearly missing a trick here.

-Edit- The sprig, as cool as it is, was actually my hair falling in front of my face during the image capture... a few milliseconds later the rest of my fringe followed suit.

The MacOSX haircutting company offers a buzzcut that you won't have to get redone for months and won't ever block your vision for only $5!  Now if he answers "well, first I like it, second the haircutter I use is someone I like supporting they are a local shop and MacOSX haircutting is a big chain, etc, etc, etc.  

Not really a good metaphor... but made me laugh.

Now if I want to know more should I a)stay very civil while sincerely seeking to learn more or b) start throwing around labels and take on an air of superiority?  

My obsessive nature will lead me to be horribly pedantic, but I stick by my choice of words. I have tried to express my points clearly and without ambiguity.

[ffastback]

Now here I have to object, ffastback does not have a valid point. He has not formed a valid argument.

You mean in your opinion...   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

And you have every right to your opinions and you have the right of free speech to call people names. Oh well.   :-)

[Painkiller]

I'm glad they released it. Now my PEG II has something worth running. Hopefully they fix Efika related issues soon and perhaps port it to some other systems also as it seems that Efikas will not be manufactured anymore . Maybe PS3

Anyways my Radeon 9200 arrives tomorrow so I hope I'll be soon posting from Sputnik

[sbeehre]

I really hope MorphOS is released for old mac hardware ie G3 iMacs as they are much faster than the EFIKA and can be picked up for next to nothing!

[Painkiller]

Well it has been reported that MOS 2.0 will be ported to G4 MAC Mini. There is already a video of MOS running on G4 MAC Mini, but who knows when it comes out. It seems like they have to do a ton of fixing on Efika first before focusing on any other ports.

[Firedawg]

Quote By adolescent

"But we don't pay the 19% EU VAT so your original price is a closer."

From my experience that EU VAT charge does not apply to customers outside of the EU.  

Can someone tell me here if the € 111.11 is with or without the VAT charge?

Not sure if the EU VAT is built into the € 111.11 for everyone or for those that it applies to if its added on to the total, but one thing is for sure I was charged € 111.11 ($178.40) for my MorphOS 2.0 Software License.

PayPal Conversion Rate as of Jul. 8, 2008: 1 U.S. Dollar = 0.622844 Euros

Thanks,
Mike

Updated response by Ralph Schmidt with MorphOS Team:

"Yes, but as I've already told a few others because of the virtual
nature of the transaction I can't prove securely to my local tax
office that the customer was outside the EU.
Sorry, but any trouble about this with my local tax office isn't
worth to mess with this.

P.S. VAT here in germany/EU is always calculated on every
       inner EU transaction(internet/mailorder doesn't matter)
       unlike in the USA.

Regards"

Well, the added cost of VAT + the ever dropping USD will cost me an addition $34USD, but its was my decision to purchase it any way. :-D

Mike

[yakumo9275]

VAT is charged for EVERYONE. EU or not EU. everyone pays 111 then 150euro.

MOS Team decided it was too hard to figure out who should/not get VAT etc. so flat charged everyone.

[TheMagicM]

I'm still waiting on parts.. my EFIKA should look pretty sweet.  I'll play around with the demo version for a while before I register though.  I'll probably run SuSE on it though..lookin forward to that.

[Crumb]

Do I get more for an $100 Efika and $179 MorphOS or more by donating $279 towards an AROS bounty? Which is the better ROI as a consumer / end-user?

From a customer's viewpoint and in the long term, an AROS donation, of course.

The reason is that you can run AROS in the hardware you choose.

And to put an OS like SkyOS down as "nothing" when it runs Firefox but AROS dosen't also seems very odd.

You can run AROS hosted and Firefox together :-)

all right ... i have my efika, and the video card should arrive within the hour. now I have to wonder which pin on the ide connector is pin 1. I decided to go with an ide to cf adapter for this box, but now which way to insert it?!? the efika board isn't labelled....

(apologies if this is covered somewhere else, I searched and couldn't find anything)

[Firedawg]

@pkillo

Looking at the Efika's 44 pin IDE female connector, pin 1 will start top left.

Mike

[minator]

yakumo9275 wrote:

VAT is charged for EVERYONE. EU or not EU. everyone pays 111 then 150euro.

MOS Team decided it was too hard to figure out who should/not get VAT etc. so flat charged everyone.

They *really* need to talk to a tax lawyer, charging VAT to people outside the EU is almost certainly a criminal offence.

It's a complex subject (even within the EU different countries have different rates, it works in different ways and it's different again if a company is buying it). however, if they can write an entire OS writing (or just downloading) the relevant server script isn't exactly going to be difficult...

Firedawg wrote:
@pkillo

Looking at the Efika's 44 pin IDE female connector, pin 1 will start top left.

Thanks very much, that should get me going - just as soon as I've actually got a low profile video card. TigerDirect sold me an HIS card as low profile, which I've just received, and it's definitely NOT low profile. Now I'm in exactly the annoying situation I didn't want to be in - trying to get a video card before the 'discount' deadline on MorphOS runs out and the price goes up $100. :griping:

They really need to write drivers for some video cards that are actually available on the market. Low profile 128MB AGP cards with the chipsets listed as compatible are few and far between. Despite the really nice quality of the case directron has sold me, I wish I'd bought something that would let me fit a standard height video card in it, or even a vertically mounted PCI card. Now I know why they [directron] called me twice to be sure I didn't want the bundled video card... you can't find any others that will fit!!  :madashell:

[arnljot]

minator wrote:
They *really* need to talk to a tax lawyer, charging VAT to people outside the EU is almost certainly a criminal offence.

I'm not a tax lawyer, but I can tell you that this particular issue I know since I've been working with e-commerce solutions for 8 years, and I know the business quite well.

The laws in EU and most western countries state that you must collect taxes and fees. The exception to the rule is if you know that the person you're selling to is exempt. But you need to be able to prove it.

Also the rationale is that most countries have a tax cooperation. Which mean that I as a Norwegian customer do not have to pay Norwegian tax on the product I import if I can prove that I have paid tax in the source country.

These are the EU area rules (Norway is a partner, though not a member). And similar rules apply in Canada, US, Common Wealth and many Industrialized Asian countries.

So when a business is not charging foreign customers local taxes that apply to their national customers, they are actually providing you an extra service.

[adolescent]

VAT/sales tax collection is built into PayPal merchant services, so it's not  really an extra service they are providing. Paypal should provide enough of a receipt for the tax man.  

https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=xpt/cps/shipping/EasyCalculateShipAndTax-outside

I'm very disappointed about this. I guess I'll have to enjoy MOS in 30 minute chunks until they get their act straight.

[Jakodemus]

You guys are whining about few bucks. Usually Europeans have to pay much more than the Americans. Lets compare Mac Pro prices. For Europeans standard Mac Pro cost 2.048,36 EUR ex VAT and if VAT is included the price jumps to 2.499,00 EUR. Americans only have to pay 1.779,80 EUR ($2.799). At the time when euro was weaker than the dollar I could somehow understand this, but now one euro is almost 1.60 dollars!