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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #149 from previous page: July 03, 2008, 03:40:17 PM »
@gazgod & Golem!dk,

Correct, the prudent thing to do is download the ISO (130mb) first and place it on your usb device then install.  Was not totally aware of all the processes until I was going through the install.

Not sure where to find this install ISO file (130mb) for the Efika install.  Maybe some one can point me to the download.

For those who are considering installing MorphOS 2.0 below is link to a well written article to get you started.

  MorphOS 2.0 Install Instructions

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #150 on: July 03, 2008, 03:58:09 PM »
@stefcep2

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My very first post was the question :"what runs on it?" because despite searching the simple morphos site, and more besides, I could not find a list of software that run on Morphos. But no-one answered my question. Another guy more or less raises the same question, no-one answers and he therefore reasonably concludes that if no software runs on it, then its too expensive for him to spend that sort of money on hardware and an OS that doesn't run any software. The obvious thing would have been for people like you to enlighten us both with your knowledge of what, exactly, runs on it. But no, he's then attacked for being too tight-arsed to support the developers that have worked so hard to release this. Again no-one bothers to say what runs on it. So if you can't run any software, what else can you do with the OS but "close and open directories and gaze at pretty icons and backdrops, with not much else". When a list of software that runs on Morphos was posted I acknowledged this. No-one is begrudging you your new toy, enjoy it, but don't attack me just because I asked a reasonable question that Morphos fans like you seemed to not want to answer, and in fact seemed to deliberately avoid.


I have to say I would have expected that every Amiga user knows that MorphOS can run system friendly (RTG/RTA) Amiga software starting from Kickstart 1.0... maybe we should be more verbose about it.
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #151 on: July 03, 2008, 04:06:33 PM »
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To do what with it?  It is a high price when I can do more with my existing Amiga and Mac/Win machines... my point is that the MOS team need a killer app...


Since when has any Amiga had a killer app besides maybe Hollywood anyway? Go use your other machines for awhile and let us have our fun here. :lol:


Because I'm poor, I'm not worthy of using MOS 2.0 :-(

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #152 on: July 03, 2008, 04:09:25 PM »
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I have to say I would have expected that every Amiga user knows that MorphOS can run system friendly (RTG/RTA) Amiga software starting from Kickstart 1.0... maybe we should be more verbose about it.


I guess there are some people unfamiliar with MorphOS and AmigaOS4.0 and their similar goals to be the next generation AmigaOS with backward compatibility with older Amiga software.

I have not been successful in getting MorphOS 1.4 for PowerUP Classic Amigas installed and running on my A4000/CSPPC, so I cannot attest personally how much, or how well MorphOS can run the older software, but I am anxious to finally get my install working and test it out.

I wonder if there are any plans to get version 2 of MorphOS running on Classic Amigas with CSPPC, or Blizzard A1200 PPC boards?

It would be helpful if the official MorphOS website had an easy to find and use list of software tested with MorphOS.
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #153 on: July 03, 2008, 04:09:40 PM »
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My very first post was the question :"what runs on it?" because despite searching the simple morphos site, and more besides, I could not find a list of software that run on Morphos. But no-one answered my question. Another guy more or less raises the same question, no-one answers and he therefore reasonably concludes that if no software runs on it, then its too expensive for him to spend that sort of money on hardware and an OS that doesn't run any software. The obvious thing would have been for people like you to enlighten us both with your knowledge of what, exactly, runs on it. But no, he's then attacked for being too tight-arsed to support the developers that have worked so hard to release this. Again no-one bothers to say what runs on it. So if you can't run any software, what else can you do with the OS but "close and open directories and gaze at pretty icons and backdrops, with not much else". When a list of software that runs on Morphos was posted I acknowledged this. No-one is begrudging you your new toy, enjoy it, but don't attack me just because I asked a reasonable question that Morphos fans like you seemed to not want to answer, and in fact seemed to deliberately avoid.


I have to say I would have expected that every Amiga user knows that MorphOS can run system friendly (RTG/RTA) Amiga software starting from Kickstart 1.0... maybe we should be more verbose about it.


Yes probably... But the question really is: What software needs MOS to run? Which then leads to, What software needs MOS and is better than what I already have?

A platform only needs one killer app to sell it!

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #154 on: July 03, 2008, 04:24:51 PM »
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It should be possible to download the iso beforehand, put it on your usb flash drive and simply point the installer at it. No need to worry about the timeout waiting for it to download then (dunno how much the timeout would actually slow down the installation procedure).


How? all i see at the web site is the boot img file!?
I don't see the 130mb iso.
I didn't know this and I have a shaky connection also. Most times I resort to my dial-up... So I may need to get started now! :-?
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #155 on: July 03, 2008, 04:36:47 PM »
No reply from Directron about international shipping yet. Presumably they don't want to sell it to me :roll:

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #156 on: July 03, 2008, 04:37:58 PM »
The iso is the same as that for Pegasos users. (I think? fairly sure :))

Yup, readme mentions pegasos and efika, efika boot image is on there.
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #157 on: July 03, 2008, 04:51:19 PM »
@bloodline

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A platform only needs one killer app to sell it!


No, it does not. It is just enough that one finds it fun.

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #158 on: July 03, 2008, 04:51:25 PM »
@Moto

the least they could have done was to reply..! I called and it seems that they don't.. Sorry mate  :-(

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Ok then I'm on it....thanks!
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #159 on: July 03, 2008, 05:21:15 PM »
@stefcep2

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But no, he's then attacked for being too tight-arsed to support the developers that have worked so hard to release this.


I can see to an extent where you are coming from but no one attacked him for not supporting the MOS developers.  The point was that he was saying it was overpriced next to OSX and he wanted a justification of why.  He should have realized he was answering his own question when he pointed out that MOS is a luxury item.  With him knowing that from the start it was pretty non-sensical to compare its price next to a fully practical product like OSX.  Thats not to say that MOS has no practicality but its certainly not a fair comparison overall.  Not just because of what either OS might do in the way of applications but in simple economoies of scale that a huge company such as Apple that trades at like $180US a share can do and the obvious difference in 3rd party application development that either situation would bring.  You simply don't need a MOS application list in front of you to know this is a silly comparison to make.

If we want to make a fairer comparison lets take a luxury item OS against the same.  Something like SkyOS.  One could make arguements for or against SkyOS being a better value at 29 Euro.  But at least we are comparing two small non-mainstream hobbyist commercial operating systems and their value as such.

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Another guy more or less raises the same question, no-one answers and he therefore reasonably concludes that if no software runs on it, then its too expensive for him to spend that sort of money on hardware and an OS that doesn't run any software.


Re-read his posts.  He actually stated he had less of a personal need for it because of him already owning classic Amiga hardware and software, reducing his need for another product that could provide the same.  This means he actually had knowledge on some of its capabilities.  Already owning such hardware costs him nothing now.  But lets make a fairer comparison.  Lets take someone with NO amiga hardware at all.  Which is the cheaper path to use old Amiga applications?  A quick look at ebay will teach someone very quickly how expensive classic 20 year old amiga hardware is, often sold AS-IS due to is venerable age.  As a good example, recently their was a board with a broken memory slot going for a premium with cardboard stuffed in the slot to hold the memory in.  Ancient PPC add-in cards have been fetching $1500 to $2000 in a bid for a chance to run AOS 4.0 (on the slowest hardware one can mind you). Now in that comparison MOS is not looking nearly as expensive running on brand new, relatively cheap Efika hardware.

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The obvious thing would have been for people like you to enlighten us both with your knowledge of what, exactly, runs on it.



You are making incorrect assumptions as to my background.  I don't have much practical MOS experience at all.  I had a friend in high school who had an Amiga.  At the time it blew away the graphics of my PC.  Many years later I stumbled on a video of Amiga OS 4.0.  I was amazed at how quick and responsive its GUI was, and how well it seemed to handle multimedia.  Being in the IT field and sick to death of dealing with Windows issues for my job I found the idea of such a machine for some personal computing to be a fun idea.  Unfortunately AmigaOnes were overpriced for me and their breakage rate was scarey.  When I finally heard about MOS, sometime later, I figured I'd keep my eyes open for its custom hardware, since it had similar goals in this vein of "doing more with less".  A used Peg came up in my price range some months back.  I've had too many personal and business obligations going on in general since to have given much of any time to it.  Hearing of the 2.0 release re-sparked my interest.  So I was not being snotty and withholding any info.
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #160 on: July 03, 2008, 05:55:42 PM »
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It should be possible to download the iso beforehand, put it on your usb flash drive and simply point the installer at it. No need to worry about the timeout waiting for it to download then (dunno how much the timeout would actually slow down the installation procedure).


Ah, good!  I have a couple of 2GB memory sticks so one of them should do the job nicely.
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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #161 on: July 03, 2008, 06:38:44 PM »
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No reply from Directron about international shipping yet. Presumably they don't want to sell it to me :roll:

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I think they're just slow to respond to inquiries, I ordered very early on Tuesday and got a call late yesterday evening from them, asking if I was sure I didn't want to buy the video card they try to sell you with it. Point is it took them two full working days to get that far on an order paid up front, so I'd give them some time.
 

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #162 on: July 03, 2008, 06:50:21 PM »
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the least they could have done was to reply..! I called and it seems that they don't.. Sorry mate  :-(

Thanks for checking! What did they actually say?

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #163 on: July 03, 2008, 06:52:07 PM »
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I think they're just slow to respond to inquiries, I ordered very early on Tuesday and got a call late yesterday evening from them, asking if I was sure I didn't want to buy the video card they try to sell you with it. Point is it took them two full working days to get that far on an order paid up front, so I'd give them some time.

Fair enough. I just don't want to wait too long and risk them running out of stock, or realising the demand has increased and putting the prices up.

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Re: MorphOS 2.0 Released
« Reply #164 on: July 03, 2008, 06:53:58 PM »
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Yes probably... But the question really is: What software needs MOS to run? Which then leads to, What software needs MOS and is better than what I already have?


I'm not sure it's even a relevant question:

1. The platform runs AmigaOS legacy software better than any other Amiga platform
2. The platform runs legacy WarpOS/Warp3D software better than the original and any other Amiga platform
3. The platform even runs (ran?) some OS4 only software as good as or better than the hardware platform for that.

*at least on comparable hardware
**the exception being hardware banging stuff obviously

It was designed as a transition to a NG OS but without losing the legacy so that an enitre software base was already available.

That opportunity is probaly long past and it's doubtful an NG OS will be realized on a realistic timescale so I think the devs have focussed on making it a rich enviroment for backwards compatability with some great new additions but firmly rooted in an Amiga-like OS/enviroment.

Thinking the 'Amiga' will 'come back' is delusion.