I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[tone007]

@toe007

You can argue all day that MorphOS isn't a business.

Not gonna.

I've not asked for gross income, total revenues, or any other monetary figures.  I've only asked for total copies sold.

...which would reveal some of the previous information you've stated you haven't asked for.  Sounds like the economics classes are in your future, not mine.

@
  And how can a non-business have a gross income that you refer to?  If they're not a business, they won't have a gross income.

Hey, I sell stuff at set prices all the time, does that make me a business?  No.  I just sold a sound card for $125, making $125 my gross income from that sale.  My net will be amount I'm left with after PayPal and shipping fees.  Guess what, still not a business!

Either way, what you've asked for is apparently more than the MorphOS team cares to provide, which is their prerogative and continuing to ask for it just makes you look like a nosy whiner.

[Piru]

Hiding one's success.......how noble.....

Yes, I like you too.

Encyclopedia Dramatica: Arguing on the internet

[ferrellsl]

@tone007

MorphOS isn't being sold on eBay like something out of a rummage or yard sale.  It's being marketed and sold at a fixed price.  No one is bidding on it.  Nor is it donation ware.  The fact that you and possibly the MorphOS folks don't have a business license when selling products doesn't mean that you're not running a business.  Even you are supposed to report the income you make from your eBay sales as income to the IRS in this country.  So yes, you're a business even if you don't like to admit it and so is MorphOS.

And as long as people on here continue to believe that MorphOS is such a huge success, I'll continue to say "show me".  I believed all the hype about MorphOS before I bought it.  Shame on me.  Won't happen again.  I don't believe it's a success and no one here seems to be able or willing to refute me.

[Golem!dk]

... lack of compatiblity with OS4 software ... lack of any real office suite or a modern web browser ... the lack of DVD player software ...

Funny... kinda curious who convinced you to go for MorphOS in the first place Someone should probably have told you OS4emu is mostly useful for starting silly forum threads...

[tone007]

So yes, you're a business even if you don't like to admit it and so is MorphOS.

Woohoo, tone007 inc!  Let me do a little dance now.

I don't believe it's a success and no one here seems to be able or willing to refute me.

Probably because no one cares what you believe. Would you define success only by how much money it's made (or how many copies it's sold, as you like to put it?)  That's sad.  I'd call it a success as just about everyone who gives a damn about Amiga today has heard of it, and it's an easy (and only getting easier) to access option.  What more can you ask for given anything falling under Amiga these days?  Still holding out for the Destroyer of Microsoft?

[ferrellsl]

Funny... kinda curious who convinced you to go for MorphOS in the first place Someone should probably have told you OS4emu is mostly useful for starting silly forum threads...

The same folks on here that keep insisting that MorphOS isn't a business and that it's a success. :-)

[ferrellsl]

Woohoo, tone007 inc!  Let me do a little dance now.



Probably because no one cares what you believe. Would you define success only by how much money it's made (or how many copies it's sold, as you like to put it?)  That's sad.  I'd call it a success as just about everyone who gives a damn about Amiga today has heard of it, and it's an easy (and only getting easier) to access option.  What more can you ask for given anything falling under Amiga these days?  Still holding out for the Destroyer of Microsoft?

Your posts keep getting more and more juvenile.  Proud of yourself?  

Success is relative and is defined by the size of the market and one's market share.  So when do I give you your next class in economics?

And simply knowing about a product doesn't mean it's a success.  I've heard of Windows ME too but everyone agrees it was a failure, including the developer.

[tone007]

Your posts keep getting more and more juvenile.  Proud of yourself?

I'm just havin' a good time, thanks for asking though.

Success is relative and is defined by the size of the market and one's market share.

The Amiga market is tiny.  Sell 10 copies and you're a success! Does this mean AROS can't be a success though, because it's free?  What if tons of people only downloaded the trial version of MorphOS, but liked it?  Would that make it less successful?

It comes down to this: success, in your eyes, is quite possibly not what success means to the developers.  Is their number one priority to make money?  If not, their success cannot be made or broken by sales.

[Piru]

There are various ways to measure success. For me in this particular case it doesn't mean making ton of money. It means making MorphOS available on a cheap and easily available hardware. In this the Mac mini has been a sounding success (EFIKA was great as well, although low in memory unfortunately).

The number of sold licenses and their distribution will remain a undisclosed matter.

I hope this makes my point clear to anyone and I don't need to comment on this further.

Happy weekend everyone!

[Golem!dk]

The same folks on here that keep insisting that MorphOS isn't a business and that it's a success. :-)

Ah... the comprehension thing again

[ferrellsl]

I'm just havin' a good time, thanks for asking though.

The Amiga market is tiny.  Sell 10 copies and you're a success! Does this mean AROS can't be a success though, because it's free?  What if tons of people only downloaded the trial version of MorphOS, but liked it?  Would that make it less successful?

It comes down to this: success, in your eyes, is quite possibly not what success means to the developers.  Is their number one priority to make money?  If not, their success cannot be made or broken by sales.

Hey, now we're getting somewhere.  Yes, the market IS tiny.  So it would be nice if someone would define the size of that market.  Not sure if that's even possible anymore.  And you're right about AROS.  Same goes for Linux.  I have no doubt that the developers of OS4, AROS, and MOS all believe that they've been successful.  And from their perspective, I would agree.  But from the perspective of a businessman and an investor, I'd like to see some numbers.  And as someone who has bought and paid for my copy of MOS, I consider myself an investor, albeit a very limited one.  I'm not asking for anything above and beyond what any investor would ask who has invested in a product.  Nobody wants to buy a dying product or make a bad investment.

So yes, total sales might not be representative of success, especially now that MacMinis are a factor and the MorphOS team has no real idea of how many are out there and being considered for MOS.  But even a percentage of market share would be nice.  It would be nice it the the MorphOS team could say definitively that MOS runs on 40% of all Amigoid PPC systems out there vs OS4.....that's just an example of course.  That way they've not divulged real sales figures or sensitive financial info.

[ferrellsl]

Ah... the comprehension thing again

For someone who is too tired to engage anymore, you're sure quick with the snide one-liners.

[gdanko]

There are various ways to measure success. For me in this particular case it doesn't mean making ton of money. It means making MorphOS available on a cheap and easily available hardware. In this the Mac mini has been a sounding success (EFIKA was great as well, although low in memory unfortunately).

The number of sold licenses and their distribution will remain a undisclosed matter.

I hope this makes my point clear to anyone and I don't need to comment on this further.

Happy weekend everyone!

I don't usually agree with you Piru, but I am in 100% agreement here. X1000 is all very nice but realistically MorphOS in a Mac Mini is a much more viable solution to most enthusiasts.

[Golem!dk]

@ferrellsl
I try.

[johnklos]

Success is relative and is defined by the size of the market and one's market share.  So when do I give you your next class in economics?

That's just one way to define success. Success, the word, without context, could refer to completion of a difficult task, or a sense of accomplishment, or any of a number of other things.

NetBSD has never sold a copy. Does that mean it's not successful? You might say yes, but considering how well we're fulfilling our primary objective (to make available a highly portable OS), I think it's damned successful. I feel a sense of accomplishment whenever people use code I've helped improve. So maybe the guys working on MorphOS feel successful - it's not up to you to decide whether they do. It's up to you to have your own opinion, though.

Another example - if someone who's making $50k a year and is living very comfortably and not spending more than he/she makes feels successful, yet another person who's making $100k a year is spending more than he/she makes, is the first person more or less successful than the second?

The point is you can't just go around making blanket statements while assuming that everyone is just going to use your definitions for everything.

[itix]

@itix
I agree.  I bought MorphOS to run on my PegII out of curiosity and because I believed the crap that "others" were spouting on here about how MorphOS would turn your system into a high performance machine.  Well, that was a load of crap and I expected more from an OS that cost me more than $200 USD.

You had a chance to try MorphOS for free before purchasing.

Shame that you didnt like it. It is very good OS.

And until Piru publishes some real sales numbers I'll continue to disbelieve him when he says the move to MacMini was a huge success.

In Amiga scale it is. No new hardware would generate so much sales. It leaves out users who only want new hardware but you can not please everyone. Choose your target and stick on it. But it is good that we have choices, isnt it? AROS, MorphOS and OS4 fill different needs. And of course the good old original AmigaOS 3.1 on emulators and perhaps Minimig.

Before I continue I should mention I am MorphOS developer and biased.

He also tried to get me to believe that MorphOS wasn't a "business" venture.  That's the typical dodge when someone doesn't want to admit that their "business" isn't being successful.  I told him that I'd believe that MorphOS wasn't a business when they decided to stop charging for it.  I'd wager that fewer than 300 copies of MorphOS for the MacMini have been sold.

What is "successful" business in your books? It is successful as in it generates more income than there are expenses. It is not successful as in it would bring Amiga out of niche. Amiga is small and stays small.

Maybe you mean MorphOS as in business would be declining or does so in the future. Well, does it matter? Do you really expect commercial breakthrough? Do you think successful Amiga business exists?

I wouldnt mind if there was new, inexpensive and powerful hardware available for MorphOS. If you have ideas I am all ears.