I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)

[Fab]

@itix

I bought MorphOS to run on my PegII out of curiosity and because I believed the crap that "others" were spouting on here about how MorphOS would turn your system into a high performance machine.  Well, that was a load of crap and I expected more from an OS that cost me more than $200 USD.  

So, what did you expect, and why were you so disappointed, exactly? Also, did you use amigaos before?

And until Piru publishes some real sales numbers I'll continue to disbelieve him when he says the move to MacMini was a huge success.  He also tried to get me to believe that MorphOS wasn't a "business" venture.  That's the typical dodge when someone doesn't want to admit that their "business" isn't being successful.  

If we compare the proportion of Mac sales to Peg1/Peg2/Efika sales, it's definitely not a failure. And this is indeed not a business for us, we all have a real job for that. But whether you believe it or not, we don't really care.

And this crazy belief that MorphOS will supercharge your 5 year old hardware is ridiculous.  Why do seemingly intelligent people continue to bring it up.  That's like believing that putting high test gasoline into a Model A Ford will turn it into something comparable to modern cars on the road today.

Well, try playing a 720p file on OSX or Linux on Mac mini, and you'll see the difference. Same for some emulators like UAE or MAME. MorphOS has much less overhead than OSX and Linux when it comes to graphics, and that shows well with the examples above.

[Piru]

And until Piru publishes some real sales numbers I'll continue to disbelieve him when he says the move to MacMini was a huge success.

Believe what you will. I can't force you to believe anything. If you don't believe me then you wouldn't believe any numbers I'd be presenting, anyway (and no, I won't be quoting any numbers).

He also tried to get me to believe that MorphOS wasn't a "business" venture.

Again you're free to believe whatever you want. MorphOS isn't a business venture however.

And this crazy belief that MorphOS will supercharge your 5 year old hardware is ridiculous.

Any such claims are silly. There's a limit to any HW performance, which no SW can bypass.

However, funnily the 5 year old HW runs circles around some of the PPC HW that is sold as new, today. The price-tag of these new offerings is just plain ridiculous. It clearly tells us that there is no point in trying to create new PPC HW today.

[ferrellsl]

@ferrellsl

Gee... as if anything amiga related wasn't outdated for years already, yes that includes any new hardware being made available. Some people like having something they can use to get their amiga fix now, promises of some far-fetched future targets may not mean so much for people who have experienced most of the post-C= amiga drama.

What?  Get your Amiga fix now?  The X1000 has been vaporware for a long time and will remain so.  And MorphOS is great a running old 68K software but try getting it to run OS4 software even with the OS4Emu.  It's very hit or miss.  If you want an Amiga fix, get a 68K Amiga or an emulator and relive those glory days but don't waste good money on dead-end PPC technology thinking that Amiga will somehow rise from the ashes.

And just because we've had to suffer with outdated hardware already for years doesn't mean we should have to continue doing so.  And I'm not impressed by the far-fetched future target of the X1000 either.  It's another underpowered, over priced system that might sell about 100 units after it's all said and done.  Just another waste of cash for the Amiga fanatics who will believe that the X1000 is bleeding edge technology.  AOS and MOS will continue to move into an ever smaller niche using their current business models.  It's just simple economics.  As their market base shrinks, the price will continue to increase just to cover their development costs.  There's no economy of scale.

[Piru]

AOS and MOS will continue to move into an ever smaller niche using their current business models. It's just simple economics.  As their market base shrinks, the price will continue to increase just to cover their development costs. There's no economy of scale.

Amigaoid stuff as a business died mid 90s.

[ferrellsl]

Believe what you will. I can't force you to believe anything. If you don't believe me then you wouldn't believe any numbers I'd be presenting, anyway (and no, I won't be quoting any numbers).


Again you're free to believe whatever you want. MorphOS isn't a business venture however.


Any such claims are silly. There's a limit to any HW performance, which no SW can bypass.

However, funnily the 5 year old HW runs circles around some of the PPC HW that is sold as new, today. The price-tag of these new offerings is just plain ridiculous. It clearly tells us that there is no point in trying to create new PPC HW today.

You've never posted any numbers so there's nothing to "believe".  If MorphOS is such a success, then why not post some numbers?  Are you afraid we can't handle the truth? Or are you embarrassed by it?  OS developers publish their sales numbers all the time to track their success or failure.  Heck, even open source Linux developers report how many people are using a particular distro they develop.

[EDanaII]

Well not quite as we're not limiting ourselves to Mac mini. We already support eMac aswell, and we're looking at bringing support to some PowerMac G4s and PowerBook G4 next.

All these machines combined will cover any possible needs for HW for a very long time. As I've stated before we're well aware that it will not last forever, though, but until then we have very nice HW to play with.

Well, I was speaking more metaphorically than I was literally. As I've said before, I applaud MorphOS' strategy over Hyperion's, it's the smarter strategy, but it's still ultimately a dead-end. If you want to grow your user base, and grow it fast: x86. Of course, I also realize that you guys are all invested in PPC, so I'm merely pointing out the reality of the situation.

[tone007]

You've never posted any numbers so there's nothing to "believe".  If MorphOS is such a success, then why not post some numbers?

Hey, why not tell us how much money you have in your bank account?

Sounds like MorphOS, not being a business venture, has no reason to spout about how much money they're making or not making, or try to drum up interest based on "oo, look how many copies we sold!"  It's obvious people are buying it, though.

[ferrellsl]

@EDanaII

I agree with you wholeheartedly here.  The MorphOS plan is a great holdover until a new strategy can be developed.  But Hyperion moving to an obscure, overpriced hardware platform wasn't a good move technically or commercially.

[ferrellsl]

Hey, why not tell us how much money you have in your bank account?

Sounds like MorphOS, not being a business venture, has no reason to spout about how much money they're making or not making, or try to drum up interest based on "oo, look how many copies we sold!"  It's obvious people are buying it, though.

No one is talking bank accounts here or how much money is being made.  I'm wanting to know how many copies have been sold.  Businesses sell products.  MorphOS is being sold, so therefore it's a business.  It certainly isn't "donation ware" at $200 USD.  Businesses quote sales all the time.  Even MS and Apple openly report how many copies of OSX and Windows 7 go out the door.  And how do you see that "many" copies of MOS are obviously being sold unless you are on the MorphOS sales team?  If you're not on the sales team or part of the MorphOS devs, then you're just spouting crap.

Even Linux developers who give their distros away free of charge post how many downloads and users they have.

[Piru]

You've never posted any numbers so there's nothing to "believe". If MorphOS is such a success, then why not post some numbers?

I said that Mac mini has been a success. You clearly don't believe me.

As far as I know we've never posted any sales numbers, and I am not going to start posting now.

You are free to believe that there have been 300 sales, or 50 if that makes you feel any better.

[Golem!dk]

@ferrellsl

Nevermind, can't be bothered with this if you're not going to read (comprehend) the replies you get.

[ferrellsl]

@Fab

I was disappointed by the lack of compatiblity with OS4 software and the lack of any real office suite or a modern web browser.  Multimedia issues also abound such as the lack of DVD player software.  I constantly had to swith back to another computer that had all the missing features in MOS and even with a KVM switch this became a real pain in the ars.  So eventually the PegII was placed on the shelf where it remains today.  That was 2 years ago.  These days I can buy a modern netbook for $300.  I simply can't justify putting any more money into an OS4 of MOS system.  They're always a "work in progress" and woefully behind.

[tone007]

No one is talking bank accounts here or how much money is being made.  I'm wanting to know how many copies have been sold.  Businesses sell products.  MorphOS is being sold, so therefore it's a business.  It certainly isn't "donation ware" at $200 USD.  Businesses quote sales all the time.  Even MS and Apple openly report how many copies of OSX and Windows 7 go out the door.  And how do you see that "many" copies of MOS are obviously being sold unless you are on the MorphOS sales team?  If you're not on the sales team or part of the MorphOS devs, then you're just spouting crap.

Even Linux developers who give their distros away free of charge post how many downloads and users they have.

If you're asking how many copies have been sold, you're going to find out exactly how much money has been made (gross, at least.)  Whether or not that's what you wanted, that's what would be revealed. Get that? Good.

Businesses quote sales all the time.  MorphOS, as has been stated, is not a business.

I never said "many" copies were sold, and I never said that "few" copies were sold, only that people are indeed buying the software.  You're unable to comprehend text before you apparently.  Give it up.

[ferrellsl]

Hiding one's success.......how noble.....

[ferrellsl]

@toe007

You can argue all day that MorphOS isn't a business.  And when they stop charging money for MorphOS, then I'll believe MorphOS isn't a business.  I've not asked for gross income, total revenues, or any other monetary figures.  I've only asked for total copies sold.  And how can a non-business have a gross income that you refer to?  If they're not a business, they won't have a gross income.

MorphOS isn't donation ware.  It's a business that sells a product for a set price.  Plain and simple.  You need to "give it up" or take some classes in business and economics.....

[tone007]

@toe007

You can argue all day that MorphOS isn't a business.

Not gonna.

I've not asked for gross income, total revenues, or any other monetary figures.  I've only asked for total copies sold.

...which would reveal some of the previous information you've stated you haven't asked for.  Sounds like the economics classes are in your future, not mine.

@
  And how can a non-business have a gross income that you refer to?  If they're not a business, they won't have a gross income.

Hey, I sell stuff at set prices all the time, does that make me a business?  No.  I just sold a sound card for $125, making $125 my gross income from that sale.  My net will be amount I'm left with after PayPal and shipping fees.  Guess what, still not a business!

Either way, what you've asked for is apparently more than the MorphOS team cares to provide, which is their prerogative and continuing to ask for it just makes you look like a nosy whiner.