MorphOS for AmigaONE

[JoannaK]

Ok.. this License word seems to be something I have to look from some nice big book. .. Ok.. I'll rewrite my earlier post without using it cause it seems to mean different things depending on person ...   :-D

[Rob]

@Marktime

I believe that some A1 owners have got MorphOS working by reflashing
the BIOS.  But you would need to buy a Pegasos aswell.

I will probably have Linux/OS4 dual booting, KWord is handy for MS
compatability, plus I'd just like to learn more about Linux.

[downix]

@Amigaguy

You are quite right, Genesi is the reason there will not be a port to the AmigaONE.... except that morphOS already runs on the Mai Teron boards that the AmigaONE is a copy of.  Only eyetech's choice to use a proprietory bootROM system rather than an industry standard firmware is preventing MorphOS from running on the AmigaONE, so I understand.  

[KennyR]

So far lots of people have replied to this one phrase, but I feel the need to now as well, so...

Casper:

I also think there's so much bad blood between the two "factions" now so MorphOS for A1 would be like a sign of defeat for them now.

As JoannaK said, that's a pretty oracular statement to make at this time, Casper. You don't know how good OS4 is or how it compares to MorphOS. There is already a huge gulf in their developments and OS4 won't run on an A1 for God knows how long. It may be that in the actual end users will actively beg for MOS, regardless of Genesi's stance. Better than linux for months, anyway.

AmiWest doth cometh. There we'll have a better idea of the relative merits of each, even taking the hardware differences into account. If I can be oracular in turn, it's pretty likely the defeat will not be Genesi's.

[meerschaum]

I hope MOS never runs on an AmigaOne so all the fans  can run Linux and have fun with that for a while... it adds value to the AmigaOne and thats the last thing Genesi would want to do...aside from that it would 'taint' the Pegasos/MOS group to be connected in any way with the Amiga.inc group of companies IMHO...so I for one wouldnt like to see it.

[redfox]

Let me see if I have this right ... now some of you want a choice?

MorphOS for Pegasos

AmigaOS4 for AmigaONE

AmigaOS4 for Pegasos

MorphOS for AmigaONE

Personally, I think this is a very interesting idea.

But we have to face reality ...

Genesi and Amiga Inc./Eyetech/Hyperion are in fact competitors.

Generally, there are only four reasons why competitors would work together (it has nothing to do with the needs or wishes of the actual customers):

1)  There is a mutually beneficial economic reason to do so.
2)  One trying to use diplomacy to get the upper hand on the other.
3)  One trying to use strong-arm tactics to get the upper hand on the other.
4)  The competitors are joining forces to keep an invader out of the market.

The first one is used by companies of roughly equal size as a mutually beneficial way to cut down on the cost of competing in a small market.  Generally, they have duked it out for years with no clear winner.  Both companies end up making some sacrifices for the common (economic) good.

The second one is used by a larger company to swallow up a smaller competitor that provides service in an area that the larger one wants to serve or does not serve yet.

The third one is used by a company that wants to stamp out the competition.  Sometimes this involves dropping the price of the goods to force their competitor to lose money if they wish to continue competing.  Sometimes it means spreading misinformation to sully the reputation of the other, or taking advantage of the other's weaknesses, misfortunes or mistakes.

The last one is a last ditch effort by both companies to stay alive by working together to push out a third competitor or an invader that is theatening both of them.

Will Genesi and AI/Eyetech/Hyperion ever work together?   IMHO the answer is NO.

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redfox

[CodeSmith]

@JoannaK:

(bottom) .. A hundred.. It's a quick round number based on well known and open hostility of many AmigaOne owners against any Genesi product and my estimation of Amigaones sold so far. Anyhow a really small number.

OK Joanna, basing that number on your estimation of AmigaOnes sold so far makes sense, but would you please explain, for those of us in the back of the room, how "open hostility of many AmigaOne owners against any Genesi product" inhibits the "AmigaOne-buying" response from the remainder of the population?  is it a testosteronal pheromone response?  I guess it could be electromagnetic (those perspex cases do look like they leak a lot of UHF...)

 :-D

[JoannaK]

Note.. all my comments are IMHO even though I don't put it beginning of each line.

meerschaum wrote:
I hope MOS never runs on an AmigaOne so all the fans  can run Linux and have fun with that for a while... it adds value to the AmigaOne and thats the last thing Genesi would want to do...aside from that it would 'taint' the Pegasos/MOS group to be connected in any way with the Amiga.inc group of companies IMHO...so I for one wouldnt like to see it.

Well... Imho you are a bit too cruel.. In the end it's not fair that Amigians who in good faith purchased their new systems have to suffer like that. Otoh, it was their own decision. I can't tell about others but I did try to warn people of this possibility while I was still active on A-one mailing list last year.. Not sure though if anyone actually listened.

About that Mos port though.. Not really likely to happen unless somehting major happens around Aone/os4. At the moment it's not really much of an market nor would I expect Eyetech to cry out for help after all that mud they (alongside AInc, Hyperion etc) has been throwing to Genesi.

[meerschaum]

Imho you are a bit too cruel.. In the end it's not fair that Amigians who in good faith purchased their new systems have to suffer like tha

JoannaK we spoke on IRC and I explanied my position... I sincerely hope they get what they paid for (paying money to Amiga.inc they got what they paid for).....

it was their own decision. I can't tell about others but I did try to warn people of this possibility while I was still active on A-one mailing list last year.. Not sure though if anyone actually listened.

I respect that VERY much,,, but it is my (maybe harsh) opinon they deserve what they get....

Not really likely to happen unless somehting major happens around Aone/os4. At the moment it's not really much of an market nor would I expect Eyetech to cry out for help after all that mud they (alongside AInc, Hyperion etc) has been throwing to Genesi.

exactly my point... Genesi has been 'doing' work whilst Amiga.inc companies appear (to me) tbe floundering around trying to milk customers loyal to the name(tm) ... again this is just my OPINON

[jeffimix]

@Meerschaum

IMNSHO I Don't think Amiga Incorporated is milking customers for money. Why? If they really were just trying to get the better of Amigans, they would have all this money they from their customers lying about to be used personally, as it would be for profit after all in a scam. Right now we know they have very little cash, they're very budget strapped and Commodore ain't gonna step in with 4 million bucks. They're doing the best they can, which ain;t much but it's what they got oh well.

OFC if Mcbill is really doing this to scam people and not get money from it, that's sicker than most American 'capitalists' I just can't see him getting pleasure from hurting so many people.

[JoannaK]

meerschaum wrote:

JoannaK we spoke on IRC and I explanied my position... I sincerely hope they get what they paid for (paying money to Amiga.inc they got what they paid for).....

Yep. So do I ..  In the end, this all will be a great learning opportunity to many.

[Rogue]

Only eyetech's choice to use a proprietory bootROM system

Last time I checked U-Boot was OpenSource...

[Rogue]

Ok, where are you getting this information, because it's 180 degrees off of the information I have. Genesi is the group that has offered Hyperion the docs, even a free board, for getting AOS4 onto the Pegasos. Hyperion is the group that has flatly refused cooperation.

Ok, where are you getting this information, because it's 180 degrees off of the information I have.

It seems that one's information is always colored by one's own belief. And for most cases, this "information" is exactly that - belief, nothing else.

But I am probably just wasting my time.

[Rogue]

There is so much excess baggage on Aone pricing (deals with Hyperion, Ainc, Mai etc..)

Yes, I am always amazed at the insight certain people have on internals that have never been published...

It's a quick round number based on well known and open hostility of many AmigaOne owners against any Genesi product and my estimation of Amigaones sold so far. Anyhow a really small number.

Again, you should know, shouldn't you?

[Targhan]

@Rogue

You picked a wonderful time to enter the discussion!  You are correct that most of the people here, including myself, do not know of the basics, let alone the details of the various licences, requirements, and other details surrounding the this idea.  In fact the majority of this thread is speculation, because that is what the community has to work with right now, speculation.

I don't expect you to explain the whole thing from your perspective (I'm a firm believer in the 'two sides to every story' thing).  However, I would appreciate it, and I belive the community would too, if you could take the time to tell us where you feel that magical middle ground is.  If both sides could ever pony up and meet in the middle, what "middle ground" do you envision?

I'm asking this out of curiosity's sake alone.  No bashing or hero-worshipping involved.  That is the fifty dollar question, "where is the middle ground?"  

On a final note, I would like to thank you for taking the time to post here.  Whether it is you, your brother, Bill Buck, Raquel Velasco, or any of the other "Big Guys," you all mean a lot to the community, and I appreciate the time you take to post here.

[Warface]

Again, you should know, shouldn't you?

Nothing against you personally, but I'm pretty fed up with "answers" like that. This comes from all triarchy "officials" to serious questions. Something progressive instead?