MorphOS for AmigaONE

[Warface]

I also think Genesi missed the boat by not licensing AmigaOS for the Pegasos boards. Hyperion does not really care who they make the OS for. They just want to sell copies of the OS.

I recall some troubles with the HW protection scheme (and exclusivity?) and some other maybe.

However, given the circumstances changed (Amiga Inc is in desperate need of income), if say dynamic piece USB dongled agreement can be reached with Amiga Inc/Hyperion and payment can be arranged so, that Genesi only pays after sold OS4 copies, and the license fee could be included in the "OS4 for Pegasos" price.... Now that'd be a solution.

Or even better, leaving Genesi partly out of the business: what about Hyperion setting a number, the number of guaranteed sales they'd develop a Pegasos version for. Then either Genesi or a 3rd person organizing a preorder campaign, with no money involved untill the Pegasos version of OS4 is available, yet guaranteeing the sales when it will be available.

That way only those users (sufficient or not) will be involved who would like to have OS4 as one of the many operating systems on their Pegasos. No ridiculous hassle and prepayment for Genesi, fix income for Hyperion for a little work (modification of the HAL)

Any objections to that from either parties? I bet, unless the number is intentionally irrational, it can be met.

[kgrach]

Well it is not Hyperion!!!!

It might be Amiga Inc but I doubt it anybody who waved money at AMiga Inc is welcomed considering how strapped for cash they are.

But seeing how certain Employees at Genesi have resisted and hindered the Porting of AmigaOS for the classic line.

I believe, and this is pure speculation that it is internal problem within Genesi.

[kgrach]

I agree with Warface.

But Hyperion would need at least some help from Genesi to Make this possible.
The boot ROM using one of Jens boards or a USB Dongle would be an exceptable solution

[Warface]

Sorry for replying to my own post, but I left out something, which may save Eyetech - having a Pegasos OS4 version you will have two options.

Running AmigaOS4 on a say... err... what's that name... Yeah, Pegasos.

Running AmigaOS4 on an AmigaONE.

I bet the latter will be sufficient reason for many to pay a little more, for a machine bearing THE name.

[kgrach]

Well Warface then Genesi just needs to Rename certain models of the PegII to AmigaTwo.

That should make everybody happy. AII for people who want Amigas and PegII for people who want MorphOS
 
Yeh I know I keep editing this post and the UniOne for people who want both

Warface wrote:
Sorry for replying to my own post, but I left out something, which may save Eyetech - having a Pegasos OS4 version you will have two options.

Running AmigaOS4 on a say... err... what's that name... Yeah, Pegasos.

Running AmigaOS4 on an AmigaONE.

I bet the latter will be sufficient reason for many to pay a little more, for a machine bearing THE name.

Hyperion must not own all the rights to the OS4 code.  If they did, then they would be able to do whatever they want with it.  Either they don't want to port to Pegasos (For whatever reason. Piracy/SmallerUserbase/Politics etc), or they can't due to Amiga Inc having some kind of control due to their licence of the code.

Ben/Hans/Thomas, tell me if i'm wrong?  It's late and I'm rambling a bit! :-D

[downix]

@kgrach

Believe what you will.  Mr. Buck has tried in both private and public to secure AOS4 for the Pegasos.  As Genesi is a hardware company, this makes perfect sence.  Or, as Bill Buck put it himself, "It would guarantee the sale of 400 more boards."  400 boards is a decent enough quantity to give the Genesi management incentive to overcome the personal dislike of Hyperion and give them a developers board and the documentation needed to get a port over.

And huh?  What Genesi employees could have done squat with AmigaOS on the classic line?  

[jahc]

The problem as I understand it, is that Genesi do not want to apply for an OS 4.0 license. If they were serious about getting OS 4.0 they would apply. Simple as that.

Hyperion say, apply for a license through the official channels, Genesi say heres a free Pegasos, this should be all you need.

[dslcc]

I am sure most of the ones running A1 with Linux would be very satisfied with MOS, but lets face it: there is lots of hatred and prejudice towards it.

jealously??  :-?

[downix]

@jahc

What license is needed?  From whom?  And why?

License says "giving rights to."  If Genesi is "getting a license to AmigaOS 4" then that means that Genesi is getting the source code *and* the rights to that source code.  That is not what anyone is discussing here.  They are discussing the current license holder, Hyperion, porting it to the Pegasos.  Genesi is not porting any OS's to the Pegasos, hence no license is needed for these OS's.  It is up to the owners of these OS's to decide if they want their software on the Pegasos platform or not.  It's not up to Genesi to decide that for them.  If Hyperion chooses to not port their OS to the Pegasos, it is their decision.  No license from AInc can change that.

[Targhan]

@jach

I see you are slightly confused here.  If Genesi were to distribute AOS4 with the Pegasos, they would need a licence to distribute the OS.  However, if Hyperion were to do a port themselves, Hyperion could sell the port seperate from the Pegasos, no licence required.  The only thing stopping this from happening is Hyperion or the "trinity licence."

I do not mean "trinity licence" in a bad way, but Amiga Inc. likely tied Hyperion and Eyetech together.  Note, I said likely, I'm not privvy to this info.

[AmigaHeretic]

no licence required

Licence or whatever you want to call it... I thought the problem was that Genesi doesn't want to Agree to the Dongle thing.  They want OS4 to run on their board, but won't aggree to put the dongle thing on their hardware.

OS4 would be good for both Hyperion and Genesi.  Both sides probably know this.  But if Genesis isn't going to Uphold the Copy Protection Scheme for OS4 then why should Hyperion port it?

What if Hyperion had used a Serial Number Scheme instead of a Dongle Scheme for their "Method of Copy Proctection" ??  Do you think that Genesi saying, " Here's a free Peg1 board PLEASE port a version of OS4 that DOESN'T require that Serial # so we can distribute it with our hardware"  is any different then asking for a Dongle Free Version?

AmigaGuy

[Kent]

amigaguy wrote:

no licence required

Licence or whatever you want to call it... I thought the problem was that Genesi doesn't want to Agree to the Dongle thing.  They want OS4 to run on their board, but won't aggree to put the dongle thing on their hardware.

OS4 would be good for both Hyperion and Genesi.  Both sides probably know this.  But if Genesis isn't going to Uphold the Copy Protection Scheme for OS4 then why should Hyperion port it?

What if Hyperion had used a Serial Number Scheme instead of a Dongle Scheme for their "Method of Copy Proctection" ??  Do you think that Genesi saying, " Here's a free Peg1 board PLEASE port a version of OS4 that DOESN'T require that Serial # so we can distribute it with our hardware"  is any different then asking for a Dongle Free Version?

AmigaGuy

Actually, Genesi is more than willing to put the Dongle on their boards but they don't want to foot the bill for it is all.  They have offered to let a 3rd party modify the boards for them and sell the redone boards with OS4 legit, but the requirement is that MorphOS needs to be shipped with the modified design.  Since the "dongle" restrictions require no other operating system asside from a chosen Linux package, the 3rd party modified boards won't happen.  Not only that, but I don't think anyone is willing to pay the additional 300+ for 3rd party modifications just so they can have a licensed OS4 on their Pegasos.  Think about it...

:pint:

[JoannaK]

Edit I'm trying to avoid using the word license cause it'ls too confusing.

Casper wrote:
Since they don't make any money from MorphOS I don't think they see it as worth the effort and cost to do it. I don't think they gain much by it, it would only open them up to more competition from the A1 since they now run the same OS (Eyetech could potentially steal pegasos/morphos customers by undercutting their prices).  

Well.. Somehow I don't belive Eyetech could (or even want to) suddenly slash their prices in about a half of what they are now selling. There is so much excess baggage on Aone pricing (deals with Hyperion, Ainc, Mai etc..) that they can't compete on pricing.

Besides.. As I see this situation at the moment: (note, I dont work for Genesi or any other company involved,  nor do I represent them) There is no point on starting to sell MorphOS on boxes to some limited (one hundred?  *see at the bottom*) of Aone users. Only way I can see it to happen would be Eyetech to make a bulk deal with Genesi of right to give a copy of  Morphos with every AmigaOne sold. Of course this could allow Aone owners (at Eyetech's expense) to receive same updates etc as other Mos users ...

I also think there's so much bad blood between the two "factions" now so MorphOS for A1 would be like a sign of defeat for them now.

Hmm? defeat of who? Please explain this one a bit, cause it was quite oracular  :-P   (oracle like)


(bottom) .. A hundred.. It's a quick round number based on well known and open hostility of many AmigaOne owners against any Genesi product and my estimation of Amigaones sold so far. Anyhow a really small number.

[AmigaHeretic]

@JoannaK

Only way I can see it to happen would be Eyetech to license Mos to AmigaOnes and pay to Genesi for it.

License says "giving rights to." If Eyetech is "getting a license to MOS" then that means that Eyetech is getting the source code *and* the rights to that source code.   Eyetech is not porting any OS's to the A1, hence no license is needed for these OS's. It is up to the owners of these OS's to decide if they want their software on the A1 platform or not. It's not up to Eyetech to decide that for them. If Genesi chooses to not port their OS to the A1, it is their decision. No license from Eyetech can change that.

AmigaGuy

[JoannaK]

Ok.. this License word seems to be something I have to look from some nice big book. .. Ok.. I'll rewrite my earlier post without using it cause it seems to mean different things depending on person ...   :-D