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Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« on: December 06, 2007, 05:50:36 PM »
Is it really possible to install Leopard OS X on a normal PC ?

If ... Is my Laptop any good for it..:

AMD Sempron (3800+) 2,2GHz
1GB DDR II RAM
80 GB HD
DVD Burner (Double Layer)
Microsoft Vista Basic
15,4 " TFT
WLAN, Bluetooth inclusive!

And why says my Processor 3800+  (2,2Ghz) ??

or my other Laptop

Intel® Core™ Duo Processor T2450 2.00 GHz (Dual Core)
1GB DDR2-667 RAM
120 GB S-ATA HD
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2007, 06:06:48 PM »
There are several articles on the internet with step by step instructions on how to do this and I've even seen lists of what hardware is supported. I haven't tried it myself though.
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2007, 06:09:56 PM »
Absolutely not in any "legal" way.

If you really do want to; try using a Core2 CPU, closer to the Apple's CPU, and consider running it in a virtual machine.
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2007, 06:10:45 PM »
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Tahoe wrote:
Absolutely not in any "legal" way.

Why is it illegal?

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2007, 06:15:53 PM »
Not legal? Go to the store, buy Leopard, patch appropriately, install, done. What's illegal about that? If the required patches (I don't know the details) involve circumventing anything that Apple claims is meant to control access to the work, then yes, it might be illegal. Apple would still have to defend that claim in court, however. Regardless, Apple wants your money.

Plus, you're in Denmark. Look to your own legal system for guidance on how to proceed. The arms of the DMCA and its international treaty cousins may not reach you.
 

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2007, 06:20:56 PM »
There is no Legal isue to do it in Denmark ... If you buy Software / Cd's / Films you are even legally allowed to make up to 5 copies :-) ... Just wanted to try it. My lappis has to run Vista anyway because of my work...

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2007, 06:37:46 PM »
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Why is it illegal?


From the Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard EULA, Section 2A: "This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

[that does not mean hand labeling your Dell PC with an Apple sticker :-D]
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2007, 06:42:02 PM »
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Why is it illegal?


From the Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard EULA, Section 2A: "This License allows you to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time."

[that does not mean hand labeling your Dell PC with an Apple sticker :-D]


And how do I read that EULA?  E.g., where is it in the package?  (Note to Tahoe: I am not busting your chops at all, just working up to a point).
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2007, 06:54:02 PM »
The EULA may be on a printed piece of paper inside the package.  Yes, you will have to break the shrink-wrap on the package.

However, the Apple store you got it from might still take it back.

Now hurry up and get on your soapbox and do your thing about EULAs and legality and blah blah blah so we can get it over with.  Not targeting you, personally, but I've seen this whining come up time and time again and it just gets old.

At this point, it should be common knowledge amongst anyone at enthusiast websites/forums that there are EULAs inside shrink-wrapped software packages and that stores often don't accept returns on products that have the shrink-wrap broken.

I suppose if one really cared, you could open the package in the store and look for the EULA right in front of the clerk.  Or, look on the vendor's website or call them to find out the terms before purchasing their products.  Or, don't ever buy any software ever again since most commercial products have EULAs like this and you're screwed once you open the package.  Linux forever, opensource yay, etc.

I'm not defending the practice.  Hell, when you buy Vista, you don't even buy the product--you're buying a license to USE it and only on ONE computer EVER, which may be revoked at any time.  It's even more of a pain in the butt to transfer Vista from one physical machine to a different one, if you wanted to try, than it was with XP.  I am wholely against that practice AND the stealth EULAs inside shrinkwrap; some even are only on the installer screen!

It's just that I'm sick of hearing about it time and time again since nothing ever changes.  In the end, people still buy the stuff and still ignore the EULA anyway when it suits them.
 

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2007, 06:55:05 PM »
It's the screen people blindingly press

(there should also be a printed version in the box, however not owning one I wouldn't be able to tell you for sure)

(or read it here; online)
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2007, 07:00:15 PM »
osX86 Project.

I've tried installing Leopard on my T30, without success. It is on their "compatibility" list, however, I tried installing a version later than the one that was identified as compatible. It's possible that only that one specific version was. I'll probably try again later.

As to the legality of it all. If I can install it and get it working, I'll gladly purchase a valid copy and pay for the license.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2007, 07:07:38 PM »
And you would still be running it against the EULA.

The version you install on what-ever-but apple hardware involves tinkering with boot code/drivers etc, which is an infringement of copyright laws. OSX checks for specific apple ROM code, if none is present it won't work. No regular PC, physical or virtual has this code.

Yes, I CAN install Vista on several machines and hack it so it works. Yes, I CAN install OSX on a xxx branded PC and use it.

It's just not legal, that's all I said, no matter what way you try to turn it.
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2007, 07:14:18 PM »
You're confusing legality with contractuality. A contract is a legally binding agreement, but it is not law.

The EULA only states that, by not honoring the agreement, the provider is not obligated to help you. It does not state that you cannot do with it as you please.

Imagine buying a car and signing an agreement that says you can only drive it down odd numbered roads or only roads with names that begin with "Z." No such contract would ever be considered legal because of the ridiculous standard it raises.

But, as I said, the EULA is only an agreement on the providers obligation to help you. Violating the EULA is not breaking the law.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2007, 07:17:37 PM »
Point 2 was, making OSX think it's running on MAC hardware IS copyright infringement.

You should delve a little deeper in your legal system, if a EULA was "just a piece of paper" as everyone seems to think it is we would all be running OSX (legally)
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 07:28:42 PM »
Again, you appear to be confused. Copyright infringement is taking someone elses work and selling it as your own. If someone manages to install osX on a PC, they are not violating copyrights, only the EULA. And, in violating the EULA, the only thing they have to worry about is not getting help from the manufacture.

Now, if they installed it on a PC, rebadged it as their own and tried to sell it to the public, THAT would be copyright infringement.

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