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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2007, 07:28:42 PM »
Again, you appear to be confused. Copyright infringement is taking someone elses work and selling it as your own. If someone manages to install osX on a PC, they are not violating copyrights, only the EULA. And, in violating the EULA, the only thing they have to worry about is not getting help from the manufacture.

Now, if they installed it on a PC, rebadged it as their own and tried to sell it to the public, THAT would be copyright infringement.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2007, 07:28:49 PM »
leopard will only be around for a year till apple decide they have amassed 500 whacking improvements justifying a new os... don't waste your money ms give better support than that.
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2007, 06:07:55 AM »
@Tahoe

The mere presence of terms in an EULA does not necessarily make those terms enforceable. Ultimately, our court system decides on a case-by-case basis what is enforcable and what is not. Very few precedents have been set regarding EULAs. Regardless, it is usually not possible for software publishers to enforce terms which are designed to specifically limit or circumvent the rights of a consumer under copyright or other laws. For example, the right of an end-user to reverse engineer software, short of circumventing copy protection schemes, for the purposes of interoperibility is almost always upheld.

What constitutes "copy protection" is quite arguable, however. For example, Nintendo stopped the import of Gameboy Advance cartridge writers on the premise that the binary representation of the Nintendo logo was a technological measure--a password, in this case--designed to prevent copying and that allowing it to be written to a cartridge constituted circumvention of that measure, even for the purposes of booting perfectly legal software. US customs agreed and began blocking shipments. I don't believe this one ever made it to court.

The fact that Apple is not the market leader weighs heavily in their favor; however, as their market share increases, their control over their products will most likely decrease. Then again, with the "iPod" on the verge of gaining synecdoche status, e.g. Coke, Kleenex, and Xerox, Apple should tread lightly.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2007, 02:31:41 PM »
Again the EULA debate needs to be put to rest in court.  Unfortunately it will take big money to and a long time fight  Until EULA is dead in court everyone needs to tread lightly.

EULA currently is enforced by the Good Cop/Bad Cop system.  In the same way Microsoft enforces it's "trademarks" on common words.  One set of lawyers comes and says we'll bleed you to death in court, the other set arrives and says we'll buy your name, ID, product for a very generous offer...
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2007, 03:47:32 PM »
On my company Laptop I now run Tiger as my primary OS.  I used Norton Ghost to make an image of the windows installation first, then installed that inside VMWare on Tiger.

This means I can still get onto the company domain and get emails and stuff from VMWare but I don't have to use Windows for everything else!

Its fantastic!  I do have a few issues with sound, PCMCIA and wireless, but I've been running like this for 6 months now and very happy.  I wouldn't want to go back to using windows as my primary OS.

If the company IT people knew they wouldn't be best pleased, but all they see is the Windows installation inside VMWare :)
 

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2007, 04:20:19 PM »
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At this point, it should be common knowledge amongst anyone at enthusiast websites/forums that there are EULAs inside shrink-wrapped software packages and that stores often don't accept returns on products that have the shrink-wrap broken.


Come on get off your soap box.  Let's be real for a minute here.  At this point, it should be common knowledge amongst anyone at enthusiast websites/forums that NOBODY reads EULAS.  I've been using a computer since the TRS-80 color computer II (not the three the two :-( )   I have never read a complete EULA.

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I suppose if one really cared, you could open the package in the store and look for the EULA right in front of the clerk. Or, look on the vendor's website or call them to find out the terms before purchasing their products. Or, don't ever buy any software ever again since most commercial products have EULAs like this and you're screwed once you open the package. Linux forever, opensource yay, etc.


Ooops, you left out, they could just buy the software and install it anyway. ;-)



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I'm pretty sure you are safe from getting sued.  I just can't see Apple going to a judge and saying, "Hey, FTW?  This guy paid us well over $100 for our product AND is using it!!"  GASP!! LOL! :lol:

On the moral side I think you'd be in even better shape. I think you would be one of the few that even "bothered" to purchase it to run on PC as upposed to getting it from a torrent.  So again I think Apple would be in awe of you.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2007, 06:10:53 PM »
*LOL* ... Well Im not scared of getting sued - I live in Denmark and here there a no such thing as forever prison or an electric chair :-D ... I got the 2 Laptops above, a MacBook Pro, a MiniMac, an iMac G4 (FlowerPot), and a brand new 24" iMac...

So one innocent extra install of Leopard I guess is ok :-P

Any ... I have it running now on the Dual Core laptop... But it seems different to use. It runs ok ... But something is different  :-?  .. Think I'll put Vista on it again...
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2007, 07:40:59 PM »
I finally got OS X to run on my IBM T30. Now I'm free! FREE!!! Free forever from M$ domination! Muahahahaha!!!

OK, maybe not, but I can dream can't I? ;-)

So far, it runs nicely. I'm posting from it now. I think I'll try it for a month and if everything works OK, I'll happily purchase a license for it.

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P.S. Let the lawsuites begin! ;-)
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2007, 08:58:39 PM »
Got some hints and tricks and libs and thingys from someone who knows it all on thepiratebay.com, and now my stinkynormallaptop runs so great with Leopard :-O ... Im thrilled... It's running 24/7 and perfect :-)
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #23 on: December 22, 2007, 04:32:32 PM »
So it's running without any problems whatsoever? Kudos.

I'm finding some issues: some apps fail, running under VESA, no Airport support. But, other than that, I'm finding the experience very pleasing. Certainly smoother than XP. Imagine that.

If I can get these issues ironed out, I'll definitely buy that license.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2007, 06:15:36 PM »
hi,

what do you get to run that you don't get from ordinary linux considering that a licence must cost you £75? just curious...
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2007, 07:24:20 PM »
I was stunned to see that the Leopard  EULA stated the machine to be run on as having to be "Apple Labelled".
WHAT!! That's bloody lunacy, the Leopard website itself gives the requirements for an Intel machine and I would consider that the approach of the site IMPLIES that you could run Leopard on an appropriate machine, Apple branded or not.  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-? :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-?  :-? etc.....
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2007, 07:26:04 PM »
For the record, I was damned impressed by Leopard.  :-D
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2007, 04:17:43 PM »
@ monami

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what do you get to run that you don't get from ordinary linux considering that a licence must cost you £75? just curious...


* I'm not fond of Linux.
* To make an honest man out of me.
* To support an alternative OS.
* For professionally supported apps.
* A sharp stick it in M$'s eye.
* A chance to encourage more development.
* A smoother more stable experience.
* A More competitive environment.
* To convince Apple to open their architecture to competition.
* To make Bill Gates cry.

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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #28 on: December 23, 2007, 04:35:22 PM »
8-) yeah some good reasoning there...
but have apple followed ms with the kind of one os one pc and activation now? i suppose an official version on pc would suit me for music making. i think podxt has drivers too. and at least their wouldn't be as many viri out there also curiosity factor. do you need to run a virus scanner though?
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Re: Leopard on a "Normal" Pc ?
« Reply #29 from previous page: December 23, 2007, 04:43:46 PM »
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So it's running without any problems whatsoever? Kudos.

I'm finding some issues: some apps fail, running under VESA, no Airport support. But, other than that, I'm finding the experience very pleasing. Certainly smoother than XP. Imagine that.

If I can get these issues ironed out, I'll definitely buy that license.

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The trouble is that, after you've used MacOS X on a regular PC for a bit, you'll almost certainly end up buying a Mac... It's quite a cunning strategy by Apple... See if you can figure out how they did it :-)