Amiga OS4 on old (PPC) Macs

[monami]

(up a few posts.) i think writing a theme for linux would be nice. but is a last resort!

i am a skint flint and resent apple a bit but if amiga os was on ppc mac i would buy it and a mac. i know at least development would still be around for it in the amiga community. and so would be around for a long time unlike apple's you need a new mac, osx won't run on it pollicy, every year...

also i remember making this comment way back when. when eyetech was coming out with the amiga one and people were saying why can't we just run it in a ppc mac! oh well. :-)

failing all this development things seems to be happening quicker with aros. i was also pinning my hopes on that. just need a browser now...

[dammy]

The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

Let me point out besides x86, AROS is also x86_64 plus our dear Tigger is working on porting AROS to EFIKA in early 08.  Once that is done, I highly expect AROS to be ported SAM440 shortly after that. Besides all that, there is a initial porting bounty for ARM. AROS is clearly not about hardware, it's about freedom.

Dammy

[dammy]

failing all this development things seems to be happening quicker with aros. i was also pinning my hopes on that. just need a browser now...

Then keep an eye on this for OSB Bounty.

Dammy

[AmigaPapst]

@persia
>The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

AROS is not Amiga, so it is not the Amiga future.

[dammy]

AROS is not Amiga, so it is not the Amiga future.

Thank the Great Spirit for that! :evilgrin:

Dammy

[Louis Dias]

AmigaPapst wrote:
@persia
>The future of the the Amiga of course is Intel AROS, but that's a different issue.

AROS is not Amiga, so it is not the Amiga future.

Ofcourse, Amiga today is not Amiga...so what's your point?

@Dammy
I ain't gay, but damn I love you.
Hey if you start an AROS->Gamcube/Wii port bounty, I will be the first to donate.

[Wolfe]

Off Topic.

What piece of hardware does AROS run native on ie . . . Graphics, sound, enet etc. . .  And I mean stable, not hosted?

Is AROS going to be a complete OS by 2010 (a time/date I picked years ago)?

Good luck, looking good so far . . .  :-)

[arnljot]

I'm not 100% sure if it's been mentioned allready here, but there is one problem with the whole happy pink fuzzy feeling of getting OS 4 on iMacs and the like:

As far as I know OS 4 is only sold as stand alone software in the DCE/Phase5 classic flavour. The other versions were sold bundled with hardware as OEM.

This means that even though someone leaked/developed a OS4 for mac patch/drivers there would be no fundamental legal way new users could benefit from this. In other words, it would require a pirated copy for me who never has had a A1 or similars to run it on a newly aquired Mac.

I think this is why it will be a long wait for us to see it on MAC or Playstation3.

Atm the whole thing is in a "legal limbo". When it gets sorted, or either party makes a bold move outside the court room, then it might happen...

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Then on the other hand:
I do like to dream and speculate and "what if".

Dream:
OS4 released as new SKU for Mac, Efika, SAM and PS3
And news of a OS4.5 with OpenOffice and Firefox.

Speculation:
HVOF states in their counterclaim that they now own the IP to OS4 as the original IP holders went bankrupt.

This should in theory leave HVOF to do whatever they like now, as the court has ruled against any orders to deny HVOF to continue business.

So my speculation would be that HVOF is seriously considering to release OS4 for SAM "when it's done". But that legal counsel is advicing against it, because they are "yellow"
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I do not know who is right and who is wrong in the court case. It's not within the scope of this thread, so I'm just focusing solely at HVOF and OS4 to the extent it's possible on the matter of "Mac+OS4" without getting into the quaqmire which is the lawsuit.
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[dammy]

What piece of hardware does AROS run native on ie . . . Graphics, sound, enet etc. . . And I mean stable, not hosted?

AROS been running native on x86 (and very recently x86_64) for many a moon.  Most unstable part of AROS is Wanderer, sad but true.  List of drivers is incomplete, but there is a list of hardware.  Native PPC is in active developement.  But to answer your question, I'm not really sure what your definition of a "complete OS" would be so 08 maybe the year?

Dammy

[persia]

Patching OS X to run on non-dongled hardware is tim conuming there are hundred megabyte updates monthly that break the patch.  Amiga OS is basically unsupported, things don't get fixed, so once it was setup to run on non-dongled hardware it would be for an indefinite period of time.  

If everyone who wanted to run Amiga OS 4 on a Mac bought a copy and patched it themselves then I see no reason why not to.  Amiga Inc has limited pockets, wouldn't it be neat if they were the ones to lose the first EULA case! and finally free us from the needless worry of stupid shrink wrap?

[persia]

And the company that bears the Amiga name this six months just outsources American IT jobs to India.  Are they the ones to decide what Amiga is?  Exacptly what did they buy form the company of the previous six months?  And what did Acer (Gateway) sell to the first incarnation of Amiga Inc?  Did Acer retain anything?

Amiga has passed into the public domain as AROS, just as Unix has passed into the public domain as Linux (and the various BSD incarnations).  Amiga OS 4 is the last gasp of the original, it's like Unix System V, the end of the corporate era for Amiga and the bridge to the public domain era.  

The present is Amiga OS 4, the future is AROS!

[AmigaPapst]

>Ofcourse, Amiga today is not Amiga...so what's your point?

No, think only AmigaOS 4 with PPC is amiga.  :-D

[TheMagicM]

AROS will be BIG once it has a form of UAE integration built in.  After that it will be on par with and will exceed MorphOS and OS4.

Why do I say that?  AROS runs on cheap hardware.  Period.  Game over.  No need for a overpriced/underpowered A1 type machine or a EFIKA, Pegasos.  Thats just the hardware side.  Everything else is free unless you decide to donate to the cause.  I'll donate once I actually use AROS WITH UAE integration.

[pixie]

@AmigaPapst:

AROS is not Amiga, so it is not the Amiga future.

If by not being attached to Amiga we lose users like you, I think that for that alone it is worth of it...

[amigau]

I think it has just as much to do with Apple's willingness to threaten a lawsuit over people 'cracking' their hardware for other purposes, and having the money and market power to back it up.  Hyperion primarily made its money selling Mac games, remember that they can't kill their primary source of $$, after all....

What seems somewhat clear to me is that unlike AInc, Hyperion actually delivered something, and now, AInc regrets having signed that contract - Ben @ Hyperion, being an attorney, was smart though in not committing his resources to doing the work unless he owned something at the end.

Hopefully one way or another, the amiga whiz-kids out there will figure out a way to take advantage of Hyperion's work by buying a copy and then doing 'whatever' with it while we wait for time to end for AInc to deliver something.  I like Bill McE, but actions speak louder than words and Hyperion is the one who has actually done coding and delivered the OS, after all....

amigau

PS - the thought of AOS4 running on an xbox360 is soooo.....unholy...but actually kind funny and would be cool to test, especially if it was more stable....

[dammy]

AROS will be BIG once it has a form of UAE integration built in. After that it will be on par with and will exceed MorphOS and OS4.

EvilRich is still accepting donations.  :-)

Dammy