First (?) call for Micro$oft to abandon Vista.

[Hammer]

One thing you may not know is Apple is gaining market share, while M$ is actually losing market share. There is a very real chance M$ can be toppled.

Unlikely, since Apple is only a single PC vendor.

Refer to http://www.itfacts.biz/index.php?id=C0_7_1
Note worldwide non-Apple PC shipment vs Apple's PC shipment.

[Hammer]

Funny, that. I heard that Nintendo's Wii is giving both these systems a major headache thanks to its innovative controls which offer a MAJOR break from the standard thumb-twitching joypad

Factor in the lower price for Wii.

With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales

[cecilia]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

It's better to have computers as girlfriends. :-D[/quote]:roflmao:

My Amiga is the Only girlfriend I'll ever have!

[cecilia]

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

thanos wrote:

my $0.02

No one tempted to make jokes about this statement and the lousy dollar exchange rate?

right now Americans are just weeping!   :bigcry:

[Cymric]

Hammer wrote:

Funny, that. I heard that Nintendo's Wii is giving both these systems a major headache thanks to its innovative controls which offer a MAJOR break from the standard thumb-twitching joypad

Factor in the lower price for Wii.

Okay: it has BOTH a lower price AND an innovative control system. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. And a loose-loose for PS3 and Xbox.

With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales

So what you're saying is that the Xbox (360) is the console created for Halo 3, instead of Halo 3 being created for the Xbox? There isn't any more Halo coming up for the Xbox: the story is done. And buying an expensive game console just to play Halo is not particularly smart from a financial POV. Once the initial rush wears off, I doubt the Xbox will continue to out-sell the Wii. However, stranger things have been known to happen. Christmas season is coming up, we'll see.

[Speelgoedmannetje]

cecilia wrote:

Speelgoedmannetje wrote:

thanos wrote:

my $0.02

No one tempted to make jokes about this statement and the lousy dollar exchange rate?

right now Americans are just weeping!   :bigcry:

If I'd say $1 is worth $0.02, it'd have a recursive effect... :nervous:

[Terse]

Rocking on Vista Enterprise.  Highly recommend it.  Never seen a crash, hang, or hiccup.  I reboot maybe once a month to get a clean slate memory wise.

[Hammer]

Okay: it has BOTH a lower price AND an innovative control system. Sounds like a win-win situation to me. And a loose-loose for PS3 and Xbox.

In regards to "loose-loose", note "With Halo 3's release
Xbox 360 Beats Wii in September Console Sales" statement.

And buying an expensive game console just to play Halo is not particularly smart from a financial POV

In terms of cost, X360 slots in the middle of Wii and PS3.
Smartness is irrelevant against actual results.

[shivacpu]

when I think about Front Row vs WMPlayer i laugh.
when i think about Front Row... Hmmm... Nice and sexy as an Amiga
this OS X can throw this thingy in your face instantly...
this OS could throw nice games like this...

apple should work on a game system console, if they invest in game software dev and if this investment become something huge like Pixar, they could blast windows & even xbox, this would have a huge impact on the mac market share.
a "macbox" which boots games like an amiga and which can load the whole OS X too if needed.
having the same binaries working on Macs and even a iPhone version is a dream i want to come true !
this would mean that if you develop a game for Mac you sell it to "macbox" Macs and iPhone users.
not all window games are ported to xbox, even if porting is easy.
If Apple could put in the market a "macbox" game console which is 100% Mac compatible it would kill xbox.
They just have to do what MS did they designed xbox.
I mean invest in their own game dev team and give SDK + $$$ to leading game dev around the world + Teaming with ATI or Nvidia or their own ?
Apple is making big money these last years, so everything can be possible... Even a Apple Cellphone with a touchscreen... ))
Even a game console !!!

Raaaahh I need games for my Mac Pro !!! (frustrated) ((

[Hammer]

when I think about Front Row vs WMPlayer i laugh.

Ermm, use ‘Windows Media Centre’ instead of WMPlayer.

[stefcep2]

Reactivating vista 5 times.. are you saying you have a single-user license? if so, yeah you can't keep re-installing it on every machine you buy unless you wipe the old hard drives-otherwise its called piracy.  You are not supposed to do it with AmigaOS3.9 either..

x86 Linux and Windows and Macs (whichever version you are talking about) are inefficient bloated resource hogs: GB of superfast memory, CPU''s running in the 1000's of MHZ,Terrabyte hard drives. WTF!!!! The OS is supposed to control the way the user interacts with the PC ie icons, menus, windows , dialogs, mouse pointer movement.  Why in the hell do we need such advanced hardware to do such simple things?  GEOS on a 6502 could do this.  Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon, why do menus stall before opening, why does everything go slower when i read a cd/dvd/hard drive.  WHY ??Because the hardware architecture that any new computer you can now buy is based on the Windows-design:  its windows that dictates hardware design. Even if Linux or MacOS runs on it, the underlying architecture is windows-compliant.  Software ie other OS's can try to minimize the hardware constraints it can't remove them.  At bootup, mouse drivers, keyboard drivers, video, USB drivers, cpu drivers, PCI drivers blah,blah all have to be loaded.  Why can't this  built into the hardware ie in the peripherals themselves so the OS immediately knows all about the hardware when its powered-up?  The Amiga didn't have to load up aga drivers, floppy drivers, mouse drivers..

[amigadave]

Warning:  The following is way off topic, but I had to respond to the attack on a fellow citizen. Go back to what ever you were doing and skip this message if you don't want to read any political opinion.

adz wrote:

AndrewBell wrote:

Going OT for a moment:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses? Accept the fact that your emails and cell phone calls are monitored, and be careful about your communication. Wish that GW was dead? Fine, just don't email it to relatives in the middle east.

I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber.

Another example of someone who has their head firmly implanted up their arse, this is getting all too common. If you want to stop suicide bombers, how about petitioning your government to stop invading other countries in conquest of oil supplies?

Conquest of oil supplies???  I wish it were that simple, the gas and oil prices in the US keep rising just like every where else that I have heard of on this planet.  Perhaps your example of an implanted head is looking back at you from your mirror!!!

I disagree with this war we are in just as much as anyone, but my reasons are due to the way in which it was started unilaterally and based on bad information or flat out lies, but don't be naive and think that the US is profiting from this war in any way other than attempting to bring stability to the region, which may at some far distant date help to reduce the frequency of drastic changes in oil prices world wide (maybe).  This war is costing average taxpayers in the US like me and future taxpayers like my children untold trillions of dollars.  There is no monetary profit for the US in this war. Perhaps if other nations could envision a successful end to the conflict they would join us for the common good that would result for the whole world.

I have only a little hope that a successful end to the conflict will occur in my, or even my children's lifetime.  The war will end and the US will remove our troops, but without education and tolerance for all and by all that live in that entire region of the world, there will be no peace.

The US cannot impose its beliefs and systems there, we can only teach them how to understand who and what we are, while at the same time, we are learning to understand who they are and how we can all live together in peace.  Education is the answer to World Peace.

[Megaball]

I haven't read this entire thread, bui I say screw XP, Vista and all this other crap. Get a cou[ple dedicated software enthusiasts, code an os, and you have one of the most responsive, intuitive OSes on the market. Gates don't know the first thing abput software. If it makes money but kills babies, sell it, right?

But that's just my opinion.

[Hammer]

x86 Linux and Windows and Macs (whichever version you are talking about) are inefficient bloated resource hogs: GB of superfast memory, CPU''s running in the 1000's of MHZ,Terrabyte hard drives. WTF!!!! The OS is supposed to control the way the user interacts with the PC ie icons, menus, windows , dialogs, mouse pointer movement.

If that was the case, why not install Windows CE X86, Windows NT3.x or ReactOS 0.3.3?

Why isn't the computer ready to go when I power it up, why don't we have zero boot times, why don't programs start instantaneously when I double click on their icon

On my laptop (ASUS G1S) laptop, wordpad.exe starts instantaneously when I double click on it's icon.

why do menus stall before opening, why does everything go slower when i read a cd/dvd/hard drive

There are poorly written shell add-ons that may slow down shell’s menu operations.

Compared to the rest of the system (e.g. GPU/FSB/CPU/primary memory), HD’s throughput didn’t improve much.

WHY ??Because the hardware architecture that any new computer you can now buy is based on the Windows-design

This statement is false.

ACPI (Advanced Configuration and Power Interface) architecture was developed by HP, Intel, Microsoft, Phoenix and Toshiba. Note Microsoft and Toshiba in HD-DVD(another topic)...

Look in "Device Manager" -> Computer -> "ACPI x86 based PC" (HAL.dll, HALACPI, HALMACPI.dll). HAL = hardware abstraction layer.

Anyway, Intel and Phoenix are developing embedded style lite OS(extensions for firmware) for the X64 PCs i.e. Hyperspace.

Why can't this built into the hardware ie in the peripherals themselves so the OS immediately knows all about the hardware when its powered-up?

How does an X64 PC display itself and accepts keyboard inputs before loading Windows NT/2K/XP/Vista? My ASUS G1S laptop can display bitmap graphics(for OEM logos) from BIOS boot-up.

Standard PCs starts up as "real mode" 86 i.e. 8086 based PC. Note that some X64 PCs uses UEFI instead of BIOS.  

UEFI or BIOS based drivers was not designed with Windows NT family in mind. It's false to think that a modern X64 PC is designed for Windows NT/2K/XP/Vista. In actual reality its was designed for IBM-DOS/PC-DOS/MS-DOS (for BIOS enabled PCs).

IF an X64 PC was designed specifically for Windows NT family, it would have a minimal Windows NT (shown during Windows XP/Vista CD/DVD install) built-into it's frimware(e.g. XBOX 360), but this is not the case.

X64 PC's firmware is Intel's and Phoenix's domain (as illustrated in Hyperspace's development). There’s very little chance for Microsoft to push the other near-mono/duo-poly titans (e.g. Intel, Phoenix/AMI) from that domain.

In classic Amigas, parts of AmigaOS are already active after Kickstart disk prompt. The classic Amiga architecture is mostly govern by a single corporation, while X64 PC is govern by serveral large corporations i.e.  Intel, AMD, Phoenix and Microsoft.

ATI or NVIDIA XP/Vista driver includes things like JIT-complier i.e. optimise shader programs for specific GPU cores. Modern GPUs are akin to an array of FPU co-processors.

[JuvUK]

Morning all,
  I have been using Vista for a while now and yes it is buggy and yes it is slower than XP, but XP was far from perfect, in fact XP only really became stable and reliable after SP2, Vista has has numerour "little" updates already and is getting faster and more reliable all the time, as for Macosoft, HAH i say, it's like paying Microsoft through the back door then not getting any of the benefits.
  Yes i am a gamer, but i do lots of other things that the PCMAC just doesn't have the software for. So get used to it Vista is here, it will stay as the market leader, it will get better, they built it and the people will come.
 P.S i still love os3.9 but again no commercial support
 Please no flaming, All the best, Justin

[Hammer]

I haven't read this entire thread, bui I say screw XP, Vista and all this other crap. Get a cou[ple dedicated software enthusiasts, code an os, and you have one of the most responsive, intuitive OSes on the market. Gates don't know the first thing abput software.

Microsoft knows about business desktop software and the middleware to support it. Refer to Windows CE/PocketPC for Microsoft's lite OSes.