First (?) call for Micro$oft to abandon Vista.

[Orjan]

As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.

I hate that saying.. It somehow "justifies" that the government/Microsoft/whoever, can look inte everyones personal lives whichever way they please.

Picture a random city in a random country, and it is sometime in the future. A family is sitting down to watch an episode of the 65th season of "The Simpsons" on their HV (HoloVision). A camera mounted in the ceiling slowly pans around, recording everything.
Suddenly, there is a knock on the door. The man in the family opens it. A man claiming to be a police oficer asks if he can rummage through the familys drawers and closets.

The man of the family answers:
-"Sure, go right ahead. I have nothing to hide, and I don´t mind you folks looking inte every little detail of our life every day. I sure do appreciate your hard work to keep our country safe from terrorists."

Would YOU let someone search your closets and drawers under the pretext of freedom and security with a smile on your face?

[little]

ShawnDude wrote:
Yeah, I don't like the "spying" issue, but that's a part of life now and in the future ... As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

- Benjamin Franklin

[arkanoid]

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

- Benjamin Franklin

little: I find it scarey. Give these people a shovel and they'll dig their own graves. Not only that but they do it with a smile.

God save what little there is left of the Constitution and the human rights people the world over have fought for

[taunusand]

AndrewBell wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.

Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

Exactly my opinion  :-(

But I'm still hopeing that people will find out that "windoze" is a virus and remove it

Amiga should rule the world  :-D

...and pc users should stick to linux/ubunto. Still trying to convince myself to remove my XP  :roll:

[LoadWB]

@Adonay,

Sorry, mate, but I've been asked to work on too many brand new Vista machines that take several HOURS to complete the initial setup.

I got a second hard drive for my laptop to load Vista on to try it out.  I played with the release candidates, and I've played with the final release.

Windows Vista is the desktop equivalent to the phone tree.  You know where you want to go, you know it's there, but you are forced into the stupidity pipes to get to a simple feature.  Too bad there's no "0" in this phone tree.

I hate supporting Vista because the advanced functionality is in non-intuitive places.  Networking, for instance, has combined functionality that just doesn't seem to make any sense.

I support Vista because I have to.  Clients whose sites I do not control are buying machines with Vista and (begrudgingly) making do because "That's where it's all going."  (Direct quote from a customer.)

I'm sorry.  Microsoft has screwed up with this one.  Windows 3.x to 95 was a major leap forward, but it seemed more evolutionary (not perfect, mind you, but a lot better.)  Vista is a leap backwards.

I submit that new Windows users and non-Power Users will find Vista quite amiable.  But anyone I know who does tech work or works more efficiently by exploiting the more advanced methods allowed up to Windows XP cannot stand Vista.  It really does force you into its own methodology, which is certainly not efficiency of operation.

There are some amazing tweaks under the hood of Vista, some very impressive technology.  But it's all undone by the overall bloat of a poorly designed and implemented user interface.

Vista has made it readily apparent to me that I need to get out of the mainstream IT field.  I need to get out before Vista takes hold so I don't lose IQ points.  So, I'm trying desperately to move into cybersecurity or to manage Windows 2003 and 2008 servers and Solaris machines.

Between Vista, draconian licensing schemes, and deliberate product crippling, Microsoft is pushing me out.

[little]

@arkanoid

corporations are just playing by the rules, think of it as a game of monopoly. The problem is when we allow them to change the rules at the middle of the game, balance goes thru the window and you end having nowhere to run.

The situation is beyond scary, but last time I walked down this path I was kicked from a messageboard because people "... can't handle the truth".

[AndrewBell]

little wrote:

ShawnDude wrote:
Yeah, I don't like the "spying" issue, but that's a part of life now and in the future ... As long as your are not doing anything illegal, you don't have much to worry about.

"people willing to trade their freedom for temporary security deserve neither and will lose both"

- Benjamin Franklin

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
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[A1260]

i have abandoned vista a long time ago, my last mircosoft product i am ever gonna buy is winxp and it allerady run on my x86 laptop and that way it is gonna stay, period!.....

F U C K vista & mircosoft!!!  :-x

[thanos]

Heya Arkanoid, those youtube videos are awesome.

I really dislike the idea of having my choices removed by somebody else.  I really do want to decide what is best for me.

I am also repulsed by the concept of being watched, spied on, even if it is for my own safety.  Again I prefer to think that other methods might ensure the well being of myself and others.

People should not be so willing to accept the loss of privacy.

my $0.02

[HopperJF]

AndrewBell wrote:
It doesn't matter how big the next Microsoft OS is, or how many pointless search fields they put into the GUI. It won't matter how many BluRay/HD-DVD discs it needs or how many security flaws it has. The majority of people using MS products are indifferent or clueless about any alternatives, and will continue to go with the herd.

Microsoft won the war years ago. There future rule is secured. It sucks, but that's the way it is.

A bit defeatist there Andrew.
Anything can happen in the computer industry.
Commodore 64 was and still is recorded as the biggest selling computer of all time. I bet in its 80s heyday before the catalogue of PC and Amiga blunders no one could see Commodore going bust.

It is perfectly possible given its share of major blunders Microsoft could be dead within 10 years.

[Acill]

i have to agree that Ms screwed up big time with Vista. I cant even count how many people I see every day asking me how to fix this or that with the new computer they just bought with Vista on it. I tell all of them to take it back and get a Mac, when they tell me they need a computer for Word and internet, i show them my mac and how they can do it all, when they ask me about running a game that is only windows I reboot into bootcamp and show them windows on it.

Leopard is by far the most advanced OS to date, it makes Vista look like Windows 95.

[AndrewBell]

thanos wrote:
I am also repulsed by the concept of being watched, spied on, even if it is for my own safety.  Again I prefer to think that other methods might ensure the well being of myself and others.

People should not be so willing to accept the loss of privacy.

Going OT for a moment:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses? Accept the fact that your emails and cell phone calls are monitored, and be careful about your communication. Wish that GW was dead? Fine, just don't email it to relatives in the middle east.

I'd prefer to lose a little privacy, than lose my life to a suicide bomber.
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[little]

AndrewBell wrote:
How is a government or security agency supposed to stop the bad guys without intruding in the privacy of the masses?

Geee, how about this, by doing their work! The bad guys(TM) were not born yesterday, even the so called brand new type that are labeled "terrorists" have been roaming this earth since before anyone in this messageboard was even born. So we have some mediocre people at the head of law enforcement "Gee, how do I cover up for my lack of wits and at the same time continue with my agenda?" then said Karl "Easy, ask for superpowers, like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc. they will buy it in no time". The rest is history.

[AndrewBell]

little wrote:
Geee, how about this, by doing their work! The bad guys(TM) were not born yesterday, even the so called brand new type that are labeled "terrorists" have been roaming this earth since before anyone in this messageboard was even born.

You're right, insurgents and terrorist have been around a very long time. And security agencies have been intercepting communications, eavesdropping, using informers and making people disappear since Moses was a boy. Now they use computers, because everyone else is using computers.

So we have some mediocre people at the head of law enforcement "Gee, how do I cover up for my lack of wits and at the same time continue with my agenda?" then said Karl "Easy, ask for superpowers, like x-ray vision, superhearing, etc. they will buy it in no time". The rest is history.

And security agencies have been making mistakes since Moses was a boy too. Again it's nothing new.

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[smerf]

Hi,

I'll second that!

Microsoft should just abandon VISTA, installed VISTA 5 times on my computer, VISTA crashed 3 times, installed VISTA on two seperate computers, my old AMD 3700+ and my new duel core E6300. After installing vista on my old 3700+ had to reactivate because of installing more memory and a new hard drive (for UBUNTU LINUX). Then had to reactivate a 3rd time when I bought a new Gateway E6300 computer, then I had to reactivate a fourth time when I bought another GIG of memory, then had to reactivate a fifth time when I bought a 500 gig hard drive. Will probably have to reactivate a sixth time after installing on my new Q6600 quad core computer after it arrives at the house. It seems with vista the story is reactivate. OK I am a computer nut (why else would I own 5 Amigas), but at least with the Amiga OS, I could install it on all my Amigas and when I changed something I didn't have to call some one in India to reactivate the OS. VISTA R O T S.

OK why do I stay with Microsucks, because I like playing games, and what other computer OS has games made for it today?

Apple computers, come on the newest latest games arent made for them.

Linux - if it wasn't for Cedega, I would be stuck with solitare, and Penny the Penguin games.

UNIX - yeah right.

AS a matter of fact can you name a software company that makes games for any OS today besides, MICROSLUT.

Can you name any printing company that makes drivers for any other company besides MICROSLUT.

The computer industry is tuned to MICROSLUT.

Evan if a new computer and OS did come out for the Amiga, we would have no software developed for it, so we could all sit in front of our new Amigas and go WOW isn't this OS great, this is the OS of the future and the only thing this new computer will run.

MICROSLUT has not only taken over computing, but they were sure that if anybody came out with a new OS it sure would be dammmmn hard to get a foot hold.

smerf

Amiga Forever (at least I can play the old games)

UBUNTU my main OS (being tested for taking over important data)
Windows XP (games only)
Vista (waiting for new X10 games)

Amiga OS and A4000 040 used for all my important data (hasn't crashed since 1992)

Amiga 3000 Just sits there looking pretty.

Amiga 1200 with 603E, my main Amiga game machine.

CD32 Plays great old CD games.

Why are all my Winblows systems used for games only?
because I wouldn't trust MS with anything important.

MAC OS Leopard - looking sweet, may be my next OS, if they bring out some new games for it like far cry or crysis.

[AeroMan]

Well, I use WinCrap just because I'm an Engineer, and all engineering stuff runs on windows (good stuff: most of then will not ask for something bigger than Win98 )
Unix is really cool, but too complicated. Mac is awesome, but lacks software (still my main choice).
If the main reason for using WinCrap is running games, you have 3 nice alternatives:

 - Wii
 - Playstation 3 (well, PS2 still a good buy)
 - X Box (It's better than Windows..)

If any flavour of Amiga OS get to see the light of the day as a commercial alternative, I will not think twice to change to it, because I think an OS should be fast, small and reliable and easy to use to run my software. Let Windows run in virtual machines to supply my needs for specific software.
I've used virtual PC in my Mac before it went dead, and it was good to run MPLab...