Zorro III USB - Deneb

[amigadave]

I think the price is worth it, but now I am going to have to sell even more of my collection to be able to afford 2 or 3 of them.

Damn, now I am getting down to the stuff I really like and it is hard to let go of.

Oh well. :roll:

[alexh]

sandpiper wrote:
No need to spend $40-$50 for Amiga keyboard or mouse adapters or buy expensive used Amiga keyboards & mice

USB keyboard and mice dont work in (most) games.

[Boot_WB]

sandpiper wrote:

As for the person complaining about price. This isn't like a cheap PCI USB card made in bulk. Think about the money you can save by using this card. This card will quite litterally allow me to expand my A4000D for less money than it costs.

Good point. Think of the low priced peripherals that will be available to you...CHEAP usb mice, keyboards, thumb drives, hard disks etc etc. No need to spend $40-$50 for Amiga keyboard or mouse adapters or buy expensive used Amiga keyboards & mice. A good basic Logitech usb optical wheelmouse costs about $20. Just plug it in.

It's more the cheap soundcards (no need to pay £50 for a Toccata) and ethernet (no need to pay £70 for an x-surf) that will make the real savings. £10 each for a ethernet and soundcard? You've already saved £100 - AND you now have a top USB card in your machine.

Plus, booting from flashrom, and fast (and modern) storage devices - have you seen the price of 50-pin scsi drives lately? May be obsolete, but that means "rare" in Ebayspeak. You have to pay a (relative) fortune for a 2GB drive that may have spent 5 years in a server getting thrashed 24 hours a day. Now you can use a brand new SATA drive straight from the Deneb.

I'd be interested to know what the transfer speed from USB Ethernet to a Deneb mounted hard drive would be. Does it bypass Amiga memory completely? Can it achieve 100Mb/s ethernet transfer speeds? Are USB gigabit lan adapters supported?

[Darrin]

Boot_WB wrote:
Think of the low priced peripherals that will be available to you...CHEAP usb mice, keyboards, thumb drives, hard disks etc etc. No need to spend $40-$50 for Amiga keyboard or mouse adapters or buy expensive used Amiga keyboards & mice. A good basic Logitech usb optical wheelmouse costs about $20. Just plug it in.

Exactly my thought.  I wanted to add a Zorro ethernet card to my A2000 and those things are not cheap even off eBay.  I can almost recover 70% of the cost of this card by just using a cheap USB ethernet adapter instead (I hope Amigakit look into selling tried and tested add-ons with their usual excellent software bundles).

A3000 owners will love the ability to add a cheap external slimline CD ROM drive too.

Booting off external drives is the icing on the cake.

[alexh]

You want to run a USB stack AND a TCP/IP stack when accessing ethernet? You have too much CPU power ;-)

[voxel]

DENEB is availlable NOW  from my new AMIGA Shop :-)

The retail price has been fixed by E3B from their production costs and three years developpement time and to let a little margin to resellers :-)

BTW, with all the power and stuff cramed in that cute little board, just 20 Euro more than an Algor Pro isn't a steal :-)

[Darrin]

alexh wrote:
You want to run a USB stack AND a TCP/IP stack when accessing ethernet? You have too much CPU power ;-)

Assuming I'm only using the Deneb for ethernet and occasional access to memory sticks (sticking to the onboard SCSI HD & CD ROM), do you expect it to be that bad?

[Flashlab]

Ordered one!

[Jose]

Hi.

"Well from what I read with -11 you can only have one DMA device on the bus. So for the A4000T it'll have to use PIO mode since the built on SCSI uses that. "

NO! If you have an A4000T chances are you already have an accelerator with a scsi2 controler (3 if the CyberstormPPC) so you can just disable the onboard scsi2 controler for ZIIIDMA with the Deneb.

[Jose]

@Boot_WB

"Plus, booting from flashrom, and fast (and modern) storage devices - have you seen the price of 50-pin scsi drives lately? May be obsolete, but that means "rare" in Ebayspeak. You have to pay a (relative) fortune for a 2GB drive that may have spent 5 years in a server getting thrashed 24 hours a day."

Sh*t!!! Thanks, I didn't knew that! Thanks, I happend to have two 4GB scsi2/3, 7200rpm HD's that are in very good condition (Very noisy though...)and at some point I almost binned them :-o  

[Boot_WB]

@Jose
When I say "a (relative) fortune" I mean per GB, in comparison to (for example) a higher capacity PATA or SATA drive.

I'm not saying that you're sitting on a fortune ;-)

[amigakit]

Thank you for your Deneb USB orders

[Boot_WB]

Jose wrote:
If you have an A4000T chances are you already have an accelerator with a scsi2 controler (3 if the CyberstormPPC) so you can just disable the onboard scsi2 controler for ZIIIDMA with the Deneb.

My plan exactly! :-D

[sandpiper]

It's more the cheap soundcards (no need to pay £50 for a Toccata)

Interesting. I see in the press release that there is a new audio class for AHI. I wonder if it would be possible to play mp3s without loading the cpu?
 

[sandpiper]

Couple of questions...

1. I ordered a Deneb for my A3000. How much power can be supplied to the Deneb from the ZIII bus? Is it safe to power mice, keyboards, thumb drives without external power?

2. I have a Subway in an A2500/060. I am quite happy with it. Would there be any advantages in upgrading to Deneb? From reading available information it looks like fast USB 2 speeds aren't possible in ZII space.

[Nlandas]

Jose wrote:
Hi.

"Well from what I read with -11 you can only have one DMA device on the bus. So for the A4000T it'll have to use PIO mode since the built on SCSI uses that. "

NO! If you have an A4000T chances are you already have an accelerator with a scsi2 controler (3 if the CyberstormPPC) so you can just disable the onboard scsi2 controler for ZIIIDMA with the Deneb.

YES! You're assuming that someone has turned off the onboard SCSI which of course negates that it is doing DMA on the zorro bus. But that's assuming and my statement was "with the onboard SCSI you have to use PIO with the Deneb" which still holds true.

You could just as easily have said - "NO! I have an A4000D with SuperBuster 9 so I can have two DMA cards." :lol:

...either way it doesn't negate what I said.  :roll:

-Nyle