Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[Kronos]

First we have to define what makes an "Amiga".

The HW and the games was what brought most of us to the Amiga, plus maybe some
by it's use for video.

Thats all gone, and belongs to A500-A4000T.

What made us stay ? The community ?
Also allmost gone.

What we do have is systems with variying compabilty to the Amiga (UAE,Amithlon,
MorphOS and later even OS4), but none of them comes to close to being an Amiga.

For those you now want to yell "but it has the Name and the "true" OS" :

Hands up, how many of you bought their A500 because of Kick1.2/3 and the C=
badge on it ?

For those who want to yell "but why is a Mac still a Mac" :

Macs were allways bought based on image and the SW, not the HW.
Macs have changed cradually from 68k to PPC running OSX, something that just
didn't happen with the Amiga (a few 1000 PPC or PCI addons by 3rd party don't count).

[Warface]

DaveP wrote:
If we can seperate "true Amiga" from the overloaded use of "worthy successor" then it is, unfortunately for some, anything with the brand AMiGA on it.

If Microsoft buys the name and calls Windows the next day AmigaOS, call it as you like, I won't buy it, as it won't be "true" amiga. Don't get the word "true" into the debate please.

Amiga Inc is free to brand anything with the name (law applying), but the thread is about personal opinions about what is Amiga and what is not.

A washing machine for the arguments sake can be called Amiga, but won't be  "true" or "that" Amiga in anyone's eye here.

[DaveP]

@Kronos

Defining what brought us to the Amiga does not define the Amiga. :-)

If you were looking for the pizazz wow factor in everything then there are quite a few non Amiga products and very few Amiga products after the A500 that would be branded "Amiga". Besides thats all "worthy sucessor".

What makes Unix Unix? At least there you could give a technical answer that people would be prepared to debate.

[DaveP]

@Warface

to be true Amigas?

From the subject.

Don't get the word "true" into the debate please.

From your post.

Nuff said.

[Warface]

Good luck to your washing machine then.

[DaveP]

@Warface

?

[Kronos]

@DaveP

Häääääääh ?

Did I ever said that something with "wow factor" has to be an Amiga ?

No, that was an Archimedes, or a BeBox, but the Amiga is and was something developed
83-85, successfull in 86-91 and updated in 92.

After that nothing really happened that would deserve a "wow", only more or less
clumsy updates and add-ons trying to close the tech-gap that has buildet up since 90 or so.

[DaveP]

@Kronos

....archimedes.... first time I saw RiscOS I thought ... nice fonts ( anitaliased ) .... second time I played Zarch for hours :-)

[Warface]

Just understood and accepted your personal opinion, that everything with the badge "Amiga" is "true Amiga". :-)

[Desmon]

Subject : Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?
No.

[DaveP]

@Warface

Does not mean its an acceptable or worthy sucessor ;-)

[Stew]

"Hey, at least *real* amigas don't look like kitchen appliances..."


  Tell that too my toaster equipped Amiga 4000 in a toaster oven with breadboard and 2 kitchen syncs.
 :-D

Stew

[ShadesOfGrey]

[RANT]

Lando wrote:
Pegasos: Yes.
It is custom designed (like the real Amiga) by Amiga hardware experts (like the real Amiga), runs existing Amiga applications (both PPC and 68k) (like the real Amiga) .

Most people realise the Teron/AmigaOne is dead and it's only the real "name" fanatics who would still consider purchasing one, especially with all the problems people have been experiencing, and the far-superior (and far cheaper) Pegasos II due out very soon.

Could someone please explain how the Pegasos is anymore a "custom design" than any other micro-ATX motherboard?  I mean seriously Lando, you sound just like a "real 'name' fanatic"...  Just worshipping a name that beginss with a "G" or maybe "P" as opposed to one that begins with an "A".  

Frankly, I'm sick of both!  I spend most of my time lurking because of the hostile environment the "'Amiga' Community" has become.  Makes me wonder sometimes if this really is a Community or just a bunch of gangs fighting over turf.


I am not slamming the Pegasos here or defending the AmigaOne.  I'm just pointing out that this nonsense about the Pegasos being a more 'holy' design is utterly ridiculous.  The Pegasos is a micro-ATX PPC motherboard, the AmigaOne is an ATX PPC motherboard.  bPlan/Genesi could have designed the AmigaOne, MAI could have designed the Pegasos.  They are both pretty generic ATX class designs.

Amiga hardware as we knew it (A1000/A500-A4000/A1200) is dead!  We are not likey to see another 'custom' design like that of the 'Classic Amiga' ever.  From here on out, 'Amiga' hardware (whether it be from Eyetech, Genesi, Abit, Apple, Asus, Epox, GigaByte, IBM etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum) is going to be 'PC' clones with maybe PPC processors.

So, the sooner we all stop these pointless 'Which is more an 'Amiga', the AmigaOne or the Pegasos?' arguments the better.

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[Tomas]

The day AmigaONE runs OS4, then yeah.. Its a true Amiga. But if it will end up running only linux, then nah.

[Tomas]

Nope. Far as I'm concerned, nothing past the classic machines is a "true Amiga." Money and a sticker don't make an instant Amiga out of anything.

So... nothing except 68k hardware would ever be an amiga in your eyes?? WOW! So i guess todays Macs is not a mac either? Cause they now use ppc? And pcs wont be pcs when they got 64bit??

[Madgun68]

Could someone please explain how the Pegasos is anymore a "custom design" than any other micro-ATX motherboard? I mean seriously Lando, you sound just like a "real 'name' fanatic"... Just worshipping a name that beginss with a "G" or maybe "P" as opposed to one that begins with an "A".

It's not. Happy?

Please.. Calm down and have some punch.