Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[amigamad]

@Gopal

At the moment the pegasos is running more amiga software than any amigaone is. so its more of an amiga . :-)

At the moment i am looking forward to getting my a4000 desktop case and keyboard from ebay and amibench so i can put my a 4000 motherboard and cyberstorm 060 in more than i am using my a1 g4 with debian linux . :-D  :-D  :-D and some a1.s are underclocked to 800mhz and realy have 933 ppc,s in them have not checked mine yet. :-)

[Ponos2D]

Amiga 1200 4x4 TDI
or
Amiga 4000 GTI 16V

:-D :-D :-D

True Amiga is the combination of HW and SW
that gives every individual user personal feeling
that he uses Amiga!

:-) :-) :-)

[bbrv]

Hi!

Only read the first page...

True Amiga?!

(...in Spanish, friend, girl, etc.)

Who was Amiga #1...:-D

Genesis 3: 20 Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living.

Hence, the following:

From WordNet (r) 1.7 [wn]

Eve
     n 1: (Old Testament) Adam's wife in Judeo-Christian mythology: the first woman and mother of the human race; God created Eve from Adam's rib and placed Adam and Even in the Garden of Eden [syn: {Eve}]
     2: the day before; "he always arrives on the eve of her departure"
     3: the period immediately before something; "on the eve of the French Revolution"
     4: the latter part of the day (the period of decreasing daylight from late afternoon until nightfall); "he enjoyed the evening light across the lake" [syn: {evening}, {eventide}]

Back to the material at hand...

Later on...(after Cain and Abel)...SETH!

That is it!

We can call it "Seth"!

What are we "calling" what?

(start suspense music now...)
   
 
 

[Step]

@bbrv

Is this another pegasos renaming post, saw the one over at osnews awhile back, was not sure if it was you tough.

A hint, not everyone is a christian. (step thanks the gods :-D )

[bbrv]

Hey step, the Old Testament is not only Christian...

...and come to think of it that was before Abram/Abraham too!

Get it?!

(who was Hagar?!)

:-D

....and who was really bad first?!

[jeffimix]

I don't know AmigaMad, A1 on Linux with UAE might be able to run more software than a MOS machine without it (UAE) ... so not every A1 runs less classic software than Every MOS machine (unless I am mistaken in thinking Unix Amiga Emulator runs on PPC *nix

[bbrv]

P.S. Thanks for the image Tumash...

Now that is a collection!

;-)

[downix]

@Step

You can say that again.  Blessed Be all.

[DavidF215]

IMO, "Amiga" is the functionality and layout of the entire system. The OS has a great deal to do with what an Amiga is. Amiga is a fast, easy to use system. It's Workbench that doesn't get in the way and is simple. It's the heavy-feeling mouse that has a low pitch click rather than mice today with a high pitch click. It's the sound of the keys of the keyboard. It's the ability to play a full game from a floppy disk by turning on the computer and the game just works (try that on ANY other computer system--only Amiga can do that--even today). It's the way the OS and hardware work together seamlessly.

This is "Amiga." Without such characteristics, it isn't Amiga regardless of who makes what.

My $0.02.

[MarkTime]

I don't have time to read the threads today, but the answer is yes and no.
<---glad I could help

[CodeSmith]

@DavidF:
It is theoretically possible to buy a single disk that you boot a PC from and which runs a game, but the enormous number of hardware possibilities prevents that from happening.  You *can* do such a thing on consoles, because the hardware is known and fixed.

I do not expect to be able to boot floppy or CD based games on AmigaOne or Pegasos hardware, for the same reason that you can't on PCs - hardware drivers for zillions of cards.

[Gaidheal]

@ CodeSmith: ditto to what you said

By the way, the Adam and Eve myth is not from the OT originally, but from older Babylonian myths and does not turn up in Jewish mythology till after their 'exile'

Just thought I'd chuck that in :¬)

[greenboy]

Speaking of chucking something in, there are so many levels of "Amiga experience" that I have laugh sometimes. I had lots of "stuffed big box" experience from 1987 onward (and A1000 before back to '85) and as a dealer played with a lot of grounds-breaking apps and never-before-seen hardware.  Some of them defined the desktop turf right up until the internet explosion - and invented whole new categories of use.

Sadly, lots of the more interesting and unique approaches to creative software have largely been forgotten, not replicated fully either in newer stuff for us, or on other platforms. Much of what has come since those days I consider Golden, has been an attempt to catch up with what is practically taken for granted on the main desktop platform(s) - albeit more pleasurable most of the time to deal with on "Amigas".

Yep, there's been a lot of quirky stuff that set the stage for "the suits" to rush in, but like many times in the musical industry once it's become mainstream, SOMEONE seems to squeeze a lot of chutzpah out of it and turn it into formula. But the cool stuff, that isn't like what's being done elsewhere - that's a lot of what's going to make an interesting  platform here again. And it doesn't happen overnight.

[Darth_X]

There is no new system on the market today that compares to the original Amiga system developed in the 1980s.

It could be possible..

I want a complete system where the hardware and the operating system work together. The hardware should be powerful, but energy efficient, and not require a giant tower case with lots of fans and NOISE!!!


The operating system should be responsive, and not freeze up when accessing the hard drive. The audio should play properly with no clicking. You should be able to play video in a window and move that window around while the video continues to play.

The applications should be small/compact, possibly with an IPC(?) system like AREXX, and maybe a component object model system.


When a new system like this comes on the market.. I will buy it :-D

[Onetrack]

by Darth_X on 2003/7/4 13:58:40

There is no new system on the market today that compares to the original Amiga system developed in the 1980s.

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You got that right, how about a little earlier than the Amiga tho ?
check out the link.


http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/

:-o  :-o  :-o

[B00tDisk]

From an outside observer's point of view, I say: no.

But with that said...

The custom chips were used because there simply was no common powerful graphics solution at the time.  The tricks and twists and turns they got to make the Amiga capable of what it was were really not that different from what coin-op arcade game manufacturers were doing, in that every time they came up with a new game, they, at the same time, built a custom hardware solution to realize the game.  Heck, the first few Centipede machines from Atari were all hand-built!

But the point is, Hi-Toro/Amiga didn't have a PCI or even a 16-bit ISA bus to put things on; no VGA (forget the "S"!), and so forth.  The thinking at the time was to build a specific solution for a specific problem (in the Amiga's case: How do we get high-end graphics on a desktop computer? (or rather, game console)).

If there had been no "Amiga" then, there would never be an Amiga.  The BeBox was the closest anyone else came to a consumer-level custom hardware + non-x86 OS solution...well, once Apple gave up on their proprietary systems, e.g. NuBus etc.

Ultimately, when confronted with "What is an Amiga", both sides are right.  It IS the OS and it IS the custom hardware.  As much as I hated metal-banging trackloading single-floppy "won't work with anything but a PAL A500+" games, the same custom chips made good things like the Video Toaster, DCTV, countless Genlocks, and so forth possible - but the OS was a huge part of that as well.

Consider this, all you OS only people:

The Video Toaster won major awards at the NAB conference, and was selected as the peripheral of the year at MacWorld the year it was introduced.  The second one is quite hilarious since the "controller" that allowed you to use the VT with the Mac essentially lobotomized the Mac and used it as a dumb terminal for the '030 Amiga underneath!

Likewise, the "hardware all the way" folks who want a new and improved AGA chipset with 80,000,000,000,000,000,000 sprites, copperlists that would reach to the moon, a SuperDuperUltraMegaKiloGigaDenise - and backwards compatibility with OCS - need to understand that had the VT's software been tied specifically to the Amiga's chipset, LW might well have never made such an impact as it did.  Likewise several other 3d packages.

But that's just me - I could be wrong...