Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[amigamad]

anyway there is nothing else to carry the amiga name on so you could say they are amiga,s they will both run amiga software a1 will when os4 comes out .

[Step]

@Lando

I am interested in this instability issue you are reffering to, where can i find out more, wich page in the CAM are you talking of ?

[downix]

@DaveP

So if I put my Pegasos inside of my spare A500 case, you'd consider it more of an Amiga than it is now?  

[DaveP]

@Downix

Quite the opposite.

How you managed to contract what I wrote in response to "Desolator" ( who said basically what you just attributed to me ) I have no idea.

I can only assume you skim read.

[Staticman]

Something that is called an Amiga is an amiga simple. Something that runs the AmigaOS legally is an amiga. Something which people refer to as an "amiga" not a "pegasos" or "pc" is an amiga.

Simple.

[downix]

@DaveP

It's how the whole thing came across.  And when you're as busy as I am, you usually only have time to skim read.  I save the deep reading for the weekend.

But I do have a spare A1000 case I could use....

[Siggy]

Samuar wrote:
Serious question. Theres a bit of rivalry and competition between PegososPPCs and the AmigaOne. But, do people consider one or the other, or neither; to be true Amigas?

Hmmm. Tough question. After a lot of thought I'd have to go with neither.

Both  offer 'Amiga look alike' solutions, each in their own way, but to me the Amiga was the sum total of it's hardware, OS, and design philosophy.
It was cutting edge technology in it's day - but I think that day is over to tell the truth.
The way I look at it is similar to this:
My neighbour is a classic car buff. He restored this beautiful old 60's hot rod (I'm not a car buff - god only knows what it is) - one of those open engine, big cab, millions of chrome exhaust pipe numbers.
Great looking car, not that great on gas milage, and you couldn't use it for the everyday commute. But it's still nice to drive around in, and none of todays cars really compare to it.
Now I could buy a Prowler, or a PT cruiser - it has the same kind of look and feel, but it's not really the same.

Do you think whether it has AmigaOS 4 running on it would affect your opinion on the above question?

Wouldn't make a lick of difference to me to tell the truth.  At the end of the day I'm not going to judge the machine or the OS by the sticker on the front, but by what it can do for me.
And at the end of the day, neither solution has shown me anything that will make me open my wallet yet.

Siggy.

[Siggy]

@Jetracer

And what is Linux then? Gotcha!

A kernel.

Siggy.

[jeffimix]

After skim reading this whole thread (you guys talk too much, threads too long... you bean counters)

Do youconsider the Commodore Colt to be a real PC? Yes, thats what it released as, that whats people call it. It definitely doesn't run all of the most hardware banging PC software, but it's a PC, with all the legacy of being a PC (crappiness, DOS). In the same way AmigaOS4 and MOS are both Amigas -which is more Amiga depends entirely upon how much legacy hardware they run, and how well they follow the style- they'll be fully Amigan when they have emulation for you bloody chipbangers.

Come a little bit closer your my kind of man...

[DaveP]

@Downix

Well that is absolutely not my opinion on the matter. :-)

[Gopal]

I will consider any machine running any AMIGA OS, an amiga. MorphOS will have to wait for OS4 to be considered by me. If MorphOS is compatible with OS4 I might classify it as Amiga.

It´s not about time in history and hardware. It´s about user friendly and responsive computing.

The "enemy" is bloatware.

[itix]

Something that is called an Amiga is an amiga simple. Something that runs the AmigaOS legally is an amiga.

By this definition software makes Amiga, not hardware. But is the Amithlon Amiga?

[dslcc]

Any Hardware that can run AmigaOs4 legally Is a nextgen Amiga, as you can then use the name amiga when you ship the mobo with Aos4.

 :-D After some thought I'd like to inject this: The first version of AOS4 will run on hardware designed by the nice folks behind bPlan/Genesi. Again it seems that if it wasn't for them, there would be no Amiga now. :-)

Now for my opinion: A Pegasos (that can run WarpOS stuff, PowerUp stuff, AOS stuff, and Morphos native stuff is just as much an Amiga as a Phase5 empowered (thanks again to the guys behind Genesi)  native Amiga running the same apps quite a bit slower. AOS4 does not and has never run on an A1 to this day. When it does, then we can call it an Amiga as well.

Remember when Amiga Technologies killed the classic Amiga??

David
 :-D  :-D  :-D

[KennyR]

Hmm...better choose my words carefully.

First, I don't believe that any modern machine can be a 'true' Amiga, any more than the new Star Wars films can match the feel of the old ones, even if they have dated badly. That Amiga is gone, and no sticker or licence will make a difference. However, the Amiga we came to know post 1997 is still around, and that is the OS. It's not as good as the genuine article, but its still better than nothing - or than other platforms.

IMO, MorphOS is more like an Amiga than a real Amiga. It even has the feel. It's *much* faster, more stable and more powerful. All the things I liked about my Amiga are there, and stronger. Most of the things I disliked are gone. All it lacks is the custom chipset (on a Pegasos, that is). I haven't felt such an improvement in usability since I upgraded from a C64 to a A600.

OS4 on A1...I won't go there since I've never tried it. But if the benefit of modern hardware is used as well by it as MOS does, then it will be a great system to use as well.

UAE doesn't feel like an Amiga. The timing is strange; its ultra-fast in some respects and bog-slow on others. When used for games its excellent; when used as a permanent Amiga system much less so. It doesn't have the feel. I still preferred to use my *extremely slow* 040/25 Amiga than UAE on a 1.3GHz Athlon. I haven't used XL, Amithlon or AROS.

There, nothing too flaimbaitish there, I hope...

[mikeymike]

Hands up who thinks this is a really futile discussion!

:-)

IMO, Amiga is 99.9% about AmigaOS.  Perhaps judging the AmigaOne/AmigaOS4 product once it has actually been released might make this a more worthwhile discussion.

People like what they like about the Amiga, and any related offspring, if it does what they want it to do, and nicely, what does it matter?  If you choose to buy any computer, regardless of name, you should be judging it on what you believe are worthwhile merits, not someone else's opinion.

[amigamad]

@Gopal

At the moment the pegasos is running more amiga software than any amigaone is. so its more of an amiga . :-)

At the moment i am looking forward to getting my a4000 desktop case and keyboard from ebay and amibench so i can put my a 4000 motherboard and cyberstorm 060 in more than i am using my a1 g4 with debian linux . :-D  :-D  :-D and some a1.s are underclocked to 800mhz and realy have 933 ppc,s in them have not checked mine yet. :-)