Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

[DaveP]

@Lando

Can you tone down your flamebait a bit. Some of us are trying to have a civilised discussion in here.

[Desolator]

I can't see the new motherboards as a new Amiga. Sorry. Maybe (just maybe) if they compiled it into one of those "computer inside a keyboard" solutions might I call it an Amiga. But not a true Amiga... not Jay Miners vision.

why? Because with just another Tower on my desk its the same as having a PC or Mac or whatever.

bring forth the custom chips and we can have this discussion again. (not that custom chips are neccessary in these times it seems.)

[JoannaK]

Defining amiga-likeness of products is so complex issue and prone to flamewars I'm not oing to enter it at all.. There are different views on this and will be until the end of times.

For example..  Personally I consider this current 'owner' of Amiga name (actually their so called Ip-ownership is so debatable it would require own thread) a more or less waste of money (and energy) spend. So those products are and will be better without it. And sooner it'll happen the better. At the same time I see a lot people consider them to be key element of this Amiga-definition.

[DaveP]

@Desolator

they compiled it into one of those "computer inside a keyboard" solutions might I call it an Amiga. But not a true Amiga... not Jay Miners vision

What an interesting point of view! I can see where you are coming from ( A500/A1200 ) but the A3000, A1000, A4000 and T variants are all Amigas too yes? And the C64, Spectrum, AtariST were all "computers inside a keyboard" and were not Amiga.

Still, I agree, a "computer inside a keyboard" variant would be VERY attractive as a purchase and immediately recognisable to the A500/A1200 fans which frankly were where all the sales went.

[takemehomegrandma]

DaveP wrote:
@Lando

Can you tone down your flamebait a bit. Some of us are trying to have a civilised discussion in here.

I have put my "real" Amiga in the closet a long time ago. I use my Pegasos with MorphOS as my Amiga now and I can do pretty much everything with that setup like I could with my A1200. In fact, I can do much more thanks to it network capabilities, truecolor display, more horse power etc. For a user like me it is quite annoying when people like "lempkee" and "Step" suggests that my primary Amiga (the Pegasos) has nothing to do with Amiga, since it doesn't run OS4 and lacks the Amiga sticker on the front. You realize that posts like that is equally flamebait to a great deal of people in this community? But let's try not to bite the bates and accept that we have different views of things, OK? :-)

[takemehomegrandma]

Desolator wrote:
I can't see the new motherboards as a new Amiga. Sorry. Maybe (just maybe) if they compiled it into one of those "computer inside a keyboard" solutions might I call it an Amiga. But not a true Amiga... not Jay Miners vision.

why? Because with just another Tower on my desk its the same as having a PC or Mac or whatever.

bring forth the custom chips and we can have this discussion again. (not that custom chips are neccessary in these times it seems.)

Perhaps the definition of "what is Amiga" is more about if you can use the system as you have allways used the "Amiga"? If you can run the software you ran on your Amiga, if it is lean and clean like the Amiga should be, if it has the same look and feel as the Amiga, etc, etc, etc?

[Fot]

I consider any of the Amiga's produced by Commodore as the real deal. Mainly because of the hardware similarity (processor & custom chipset evolution) and backwards software compatibility (to a degree).

The A1 and Peg are a form of 'AmigaOS compatibles' that are hardware independant from the classic Amigas.

Maybe if Commodore was still around and had gone down the path of PPC (RTG) like the A1 & Peg a few years ago we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

[DaveP]

@takemehomegrandma

Im sure you are not trying to be deliberately obtuse but that is not what I mean by flamebait. Deliberately posting distorted rubbish as facts is flamebait and nothing to do with opinion.

I have resisted the flamebait by not answering it in the way I ordinarily would, however I am trying to ask Lando to politely desist else we will end up in a flamewar.

This is what, in my view, constitutes flamebait:

AmigaOne: No
It's a generic board, buggy

Generic board?
Buggy?

the name fanatics purchasing one,

Calling owners "name fanatics".

especially with all the problems people have been experiencing,

What problems?

And this is what will wreck a conversation, it has little to do with opinion and everything to do with trying to stir the ####.


Regards

Dave.

[itix]

> What operating system it runs doesn't matter.

It does matter. What happens if the OS includes a virtual Amiga chipset functions?

It doesnt. (Non-multitasking 68k software wont run on PPC OS,  was there chipset emulation or not.)

[Lando]

DaveP wrote:
@Lando

Can you tone down your flamebait a bit. Some of us are trying to have a civilised discussion in here.

He asked for people's opinions.  You gave yours, I gave mine.  Any time someone has an opinion that differs from yours you categorise it as flamebait.  Still, at least you stopped short of the personal insults on this occasion.

Problems with instability (which has forced many XE owners  to underclock their boards in an attempt to reduce the lockups) on the Teron boards are well-known (even documented in this month's C.A.M.)

[DaveP]

@Lando

Hardly, see response above.

Or you could continue to stick your head in the sand and carry on posting flamebait.

[amigamad]

Only Commodore Amiga is real Amiga.

I agree but we have 2 new systems that are compatable well one is one just runs linux at the moment.?

[Alkemyst]

[Alkemyst]

[Alkemyst]

Do you consider either the PegososPPCs or AmigaOne to be true Amigas?

Any Hardware that can run AmigaOs4 legally Is a nextgen Amiga, as you can then use the name amiga when you ship the mobo with Aos4.

I care little for the hardware as long as its Fast enough for my needs.


AmigaOne

If & when then
PegasosAmiga-II or AmigaPegasos-II.
AmigaShark or SharkAmiga

[amigamad]

anyway there is nothing else to carry the amiga name on so you could say they are amiga,s they will both run amiga software a1 will when os4 comes out .