How Many here also use a mac

[swift240]

I used a mac once when it was raining.

LMFAO  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

[Audun]

You guys seem to have left out some vital information in thread.

Mac sucks.

Thx :]

[maffoo]

Audun wrote:

Mac sucks.

Why is it that whenever anyone posts something about Macs people have to slag off the Mac?

People who use Macs in general do so because they like them. If you don't like Macs, the answer is simple: don't use them.

As for the argument that Mac owners are stupid/can't use "real" computers/retards, I would be willing to bet that the proportion of Windows users who are "stupid" is greater than the proportion of Mac users who are "stupid." Why? Because if a "stupid" person with little knowledge of computers wants to buy a PC, they will go into the likes of PC World and buy a Windows box, while a Mac user has to consider their options before going with the minority platform. (Before I get flamed - I am not in any way suggesting that all Windows users are stupid.)

In the end, you aren't forced to use Macs, if you hate them stick to whatever OS works for you.

Matthew

[amiga_3k]

Audun wrote:
You guys seem to have left out some vital information in thread.

What vital information is missing? That you're 'allowed' to install your single copy of OSX on all your privately owned OSX capable Macs? Or the viatal information that it is a little hard to play all the shiny new PC Windows games? Please  explain what you're missing! My experience with old Macs is that, both hard and software-wise, they all ran as reliable as the A2k and A4k I own.

It's simple to me, Amiga has its flaws and strongs as does have Apple, Windows, Linux, Unix, Solaris, . The real flaw I can find is that the Macs are just to big an expense to buy at the moment.

[amigadave]

@Wayne,

Those two replies contain more text than all the other posts in these forums I have seen from you over several years combined.  Very well put and I must agree with your reasoning.

I too say to hell with both sides and will not purchase a "Next Generation Amiga", be it AOS 4.x, MorphOS, or AROS until it is at least as functional as my MacBook Core2Duo, which easily runs OSX, XP, and WinUAE.

I don't know if a new Amiga will be developed and manufactured in my life time.  Because to me, a new Amiga would have to be a quantum leap above and beyond what is currently thought of as a personal computer, just like the original Amiga was when it was first conceived by its inventors.  For me, a new Amiga would redefine what a personal computer is capable of and create the opportunity for new ways to think about computing and what is possible.

So, until and unless that miracle happens, I will stick with my collection of "Classic Amigas" and use "other" computers to accomplish the work I need to do.

Right now, the Mac is the best engineered computer and best user experience available.  I can only dream that the rest of the world will eventually wake up and drive Microsoft to compete and actually innovate and create something original.

If I could, I would never buy another Microsoft product, and I would find a way to do all my work from alternate OSes, and remove Windows from my hard drives.

(Sorry for my rant)

[smerf]

@everyone in Amiga.org

Hi,

WOW!!

The 10% of smart mac users are here

You are correct in saying that the really stupid ones are those people buying Windows machines, and you are probably correct in saying that Mac is the better of the two computers left in the world to compete.

OK after buying VISTA for my computer, I finally saw the light because VISTA really sucks. I had just bought a dual core extreme edition computer and thought well if VISTA keeps bonking out on me, what can I use?

I thought of the old days when I was using a Z80 Attache portable computer, yes Mr. Wilse, Attache was the name of the computer, it had a 6" green screen and was about the size of a carry on suitcase. I was using CPM at the time, then along came the 8088 and an adapter card for it, so I moved to DOS and ran it until that computer quit, it was back to my C64, then while I was shopping for a new DOS machine, there it was the AMIGA, I thought do I really want to learn a new OS with a brand new untested computer, so I bought an Amiga, the first 3 months I hated it, why do I have to type out such long lines of code just to copy a disk?    but after a while the Amiga just grew on me, now in this modern time, I had a choice, support microsoft again, which I did (big mistake) or go out and find another computer, so I took a quick look at the Macs, didn't like what I saw, and yes I am a MAC disliker, then when I was reading MaximumPC they suggested Ubuntu which is a Linux distribution, once again I thought, I had tried Linux several times before but it just couldn't do what even the Amiga could do,   but   I decided to give it a try, and guess what Linux Ubuntu could do everything I wanted   but     it was free, and then to top it off the software is free, and then to top it off for $60.00 a year I could join Cedega and play most of the games I wanted to play. So to all you computer users who decided to take the easy way out and buy a Mac, try Ubuntu Linux, its free, you can download it, and try the live edition on your system to see how it works, I made the change and now I have bought three books on Ubuntu Linux, and am slowly learning an OS just like I had to learn the Amiga OS. Linux is interesting, its fun, and reminds me of the days when Amiga first came out.

Now to make you all angry again for I am the smerf

Just remember that Apple is in bed with Microsoft, they accepted money a couple of years ago from Billy Gates in order to not go bankrupt, this suited old Billy Boy because if Apple went under, then the Gov't could declare that Micro soft had a monopoly, now ask yourself why do all the software companies support microsoft and not Apple? Why don't they make their software for Linux, OS2, OSX or whatever Apple claims it to be.


[color=ff0000]So you see all of you supporting APPLE are really in bed with Microsoft[/color]

Have a nice day

Try Linux, it might take a month or two to learn, but it gets more fun as you go along, you know, something like the old Amiga OS, the more people supporting this OS the more the software Co. might start producing software and games for Linux.

smerf

[Tripitaka]

SSSSHHH! No need to shout. :roll:

smerf wrote:
Try Linux, it might take a month or two to learn

Mac OS X is build on BSD.  Didn't take a single minute to "learn".  

I unboxed it,
I set it up,
I turned it on,
it said "hey, there's your network, want me to use it?",
I said yes.  
I was using it.  

7 minutes, not a month or two, AND I still get to drop to the terminal for full BSD usage if I want to do more.  

:laughing:

Wayne

[Doobrey]

smerf wrote:

Just remember that Apple is in bed with Microsoft, they accepted money a couple of years ago from Billy Gates in order to not go bankrupt, this suited old Billy Boy because if Apple went under, then the Gov't could declare that Micro soft had a monopoly, now ask yourself why do all the software companies support microsoft and not Apple? Why don't they make their software for Linux, OS2, OSX or whatever Apple claims it to be.

So you see all of you supporting APPLE are really in bed with Microsoft

Bull.
MS bought 150,000 non-voting shares in Apple in 1997 as part of a patent dispute settlement.
MS converted these to common shares in 2000 and sold it all in 2001.

Doobrey, happy iBook user for the last 2 years.

[MaDDuck]

A great point, Tripitaka!
I weighed the options, of what I needed to do now in in the next 3-5 years. I use winderz at work  and was spectacularly unimpressed with it! When I used a Mac (running an early OSX beta) I fell in love!

Oh and I had YDL installed on it, and with OS X, 3.X, I installed KDE on it just to see if I could and it installed and worked great!

So, I don't like windows, I tolerate Linux, love Amiga OS, and run OS X and am happy with it.

It suits my purpose. And I'm happy running mo MS brand SW on any PC in my house.

Oh, and I ordered me up a new iMac, too cool not to have!

Tripitaka wrote:

MaDDuck wrote:
Good for you Tripitaka! I wish I could go amiga as my primary PC, but I can't. I need modern things, like DVD playback, web2.0 pages, and FLASH!

LOL, I also use an AMD 4200X2 with NV 7900GTXXX PCIE GFX, SATA HDD etc...and a few others.

JUST NO MACS!!!!

[smerf]

Hi,

@Wayne

Kaknow what you mean about micrsoft licensing, or control
ware.

Glad your happy with the mac, because I know what you mean
about getting old and senile. Hope you got the new 30 inch
lcd monitor to go with it, because we know you thought you
were buying an Amiga because you couldn't see the name on
the computer, We do know however that Apple and Amiga start
with the letter "A" and they both have five letters.

By the way have you made that appointment with your eye
doctor after all we wouldn't want you to make the same
mistake twice.

smerf

[vic20owner]

Smerf, once you have really gotten an understanding of linux (and some of it's hassles) you should try a mac for awhile.  you will you really appreciate just how nice it really is.

I will be the first to admit that the old macs weren't that great... but hey they must not have been too bad because someone went out of the way to write ShapeShifter...right?

But the new macs are excellent.  It's not the same company anymore... Jobs is back and he brought NeXt with him and modernized it.  I wonder how many people actually know what NeXt is?

Think of the new OSX as Linux (actually BSD which is more stable anyway), with a standardized desktop, applications that aren't in pre-beta stage, and an install method which is simpler and easier to use than yum, apt-get, or rpm.

And yes, you can run all of those great Linux apps too... including X apps and desktops (gnome, kde, etc).

I went from Linux to OSX and now I am using a $2000 powerbook from work.  When and if I loose this job, I am going to buy one for myself.  I like it that much.

I haven't been excited about ANY computer since my Amiga... until now.

BTW, OSX is also free... it's called Darwin.

http://www.opensource.apple.com/darwinsource/

Aqua is the desktop, which is not included with Darwin.

[kolla]

vic20owner wrote:
Smerf, once you have really gotten an understanding of linux (and some of it's hassles) you should try a mac for awhile.  you will you really appreciate just how nice it really is.

I have tried OSX, several times. Due to frustration I always ended up going back to Linux. My frustration has been based upon obscurities in the system when building software, the issues you get when installing newer libraries and includes in parallel with Apple's pick of the week - and actually, lack of speed, darwin is obviously slower than linux the on same hardware. I find the user interface rather hyped, I dont think it's particularly user friendly compared to other systems.

But the new macs are excellent.  It's not the same company anymore... Jobs is back and he brought NeXt with him and modernized it.  I wonder how many people actually know what NeXt is?

I also used NextStep back in the days on a NestStation.
It was snappy and solid, even on the old 68040.

For some reason, OSX is not equally snappy, and I have no idea why.

Think of the new OSX as Linux (actually BSD which is more stable anyway), with a standardized desktop, applications that aren't in pre-beta stage, and an install method which is simpler and easier to use than yum, apt-get, or rpm.

You forgot the most important part - standardized hardware.


Any idea why Apple still refuses to give out hardware information on old discontinued products like the m68k macs and the newtons?

I think it's because they enjoy being asses. :-D

[wildstar1063]

I have PPC Macs here, a G4, and a G3 iBook. I used to do tech support for an ISP, I just didn't want to have the same issues with my personal machine, that I was working with every day with other peoples Windows machines.

Like Wayne said, you just plug in a Mac and it goes. No
fuss no muss. I've used Linux releases both Yellowdog,
and the PPC version of Ubuntu, but none of them feel as
polished as a properly working Amiga. And not nearly as
polished and easy to use a Mac OS X.

Wildstar1063

[lopanas]

Pfft, I don't have much to say more than Vista is bloated crap  ripping of a already bad idea(3D should never be applied on the Desktop UI) and using i(hate)Life for videoediting sucks, me and my friend we're working on the school Mac with a video for a project, saving it and the next day it's gone. Probably it corrupted the projectfile. And it's also "apple"-branding your DVDs if you're using iDVD. I would probably not have anything against Apple if it weren't that their OS(wich they call "The worlds most 'advanced'") managed to have us redo a years worth of work in four weeks.

But i would like to have one of the classic macs runninng on 68k processors...

BTW, BSD is crud, tru System V ftw.

wildstar1063 wrote:
I have PPC Macs here, a G4, and a G3 iBook. I used to do tech support for an ISP, I just didn't want to have the same issues with my personal machine, that I was working with every day with other peoples Windows machines.

Like Wayne said, you just plug in a Mac and it goes. No
fuss no muss. I've used Linux releases both Yellowdog,
and the PPC version of Ubuntu, but none of them feel as
polished as a properly working Amiga. And not nearly as
polished and easy to use a Mac OS X.

Amen brother.  I deal, all day long with people having trouble with their PC's.  Most of them AOL users or Keller Williams Realtors who have a domain name, but don't know where the power button is on their computers.  I spend 8 to 10 hours a day dealing with fixing these problems.  Last thing I want is for my personal enjoyment after work to be hampered with having to make my own stuff work.

After work, it's de-stress time.  Sit, fire up WoW, go kill sh.... erm, stuff.  Not sit, load drivers, configure machine.  I'm 41 years old and I've had enough of "tinkering to make things work (the Amiga credo).  I just want things to work and the Mac, like it or not, does exactly what I think any potential new Amiga should.  It just works.

What most of you youngsters forget is that way back in the beginning, the Amiga was the forerunner of "just plug it in and it works".  Now it's so antiquated, it's literally "spend hours trying to adapt stuff to it" and that's just not me.

If someone (Amiga Inc or whomever) wants to come out with a platform that "just works" like the Mac does, then I'll take a look at it.  If "the new Amiga" is just going to be antiquated PPC hardware running a ported 15 year old copy of OS 3.1, forget it.  It just doesn't work for me.

THIS is what I was trying to get across to Amiga Inc and the "AAC" years ago.  Their response?  Typical "ban the heretic" I'm afraid.

Wayne