Faster, faster, faster, oh yeah... More Mhz... Give it to me baby!! We have broke the 50Mhz barrier!

[FuZion]

Ok ok, it' s not gonna quite be the thread you were expecting.

I've been kinda low profile lately, just clickin in, readin up then clickin out again so now it's a moment to express myself regarding how fast we want our new Amigas.

Hands up who are on a Classic Amiga... Come on, not Amithlon, AmigaOne or whatever, Classic, as in original chipsets.

Now tell me, what processors do you have? I'm a Blizzard 1260/50 man. Some have PPC @ 160Mhz, some of you are on 68030's... Right?

Now... Sit back a moment... Look at your screens, look through your drawers (Not folders) &, without running any software, look at some of the things your Amiga can do on this power.

Don't rush... ... ...

OK, now back you all come. Tell me, honestly, how many of you agree that these computers are just too damn efficient?

Pick up any other computer (PC, Mac, Linux) at the same kind of power & tell me what they would do on a similar spec please. Certainly not what these are doing right? Or at least not as efficiently.

Now I know we're not going to sit back & say, we don't need power because our Amiga's run too damn good at 50-200Mhz are we? No.

But! What we can be certain about (& may I be as bold to say, with some degree of confidence too) is that this OS, this "too damn efficient" OS, genuinely has the potential to perform quite some feats even on an outdated 600Mhz G3 doesn't it? I believe the people behind the hardware & software are going to impress us.

Summary: What am I saying?

For those people who keep saying:

- Are we gonna get 1Ghz+?
- When can we expect dual processor support?
- We need these new 20 TillaHertz processors because this & that are out of date
- Blah blah...

Please, chill a little. We of all people should know by now that the numbers attached to your processor are not THAT important. They help, but it is not mandatory that they are as high as possible. Especially when AmigaOS is the OS in question.

Right, that's off my chest, I'm off to surf, play Quake online, check my credit card statement, chat with my MSN buddies, burn some CDs, check some internet radio, run UAE (Yeah yeah, slowly ;-)), process some words & render another PacMan image on Cinema4D (www.deceptiveaudio.co.uk) before catching a little shut eye & all on my A1200 @ 50Mhz with 48mb of RAM:

Hope I didn't bore you too much :-P

[Im>bE]

hear hear..

mhz is not equal speed.

my blizzard 060/50 probably is the same as a pentium 200-300 mhz, without the built in delays ocourse.

I love my 1260.
no fan,
no trouble,
no blue screens,
no quirky software driven mousepointer,
no progs asking for more speed,
no more 3 times slower 040/40 with a noisy fan

from my point of view,
an amiga with 060, aga and Workbench 3.x
with wellknown progs like Yam, Ibrowse, Amirc, cinema4D, Delitracker2, etc etc...
is the COOLEST computer spec in THE WORLD!!

sure, you can brag about mhz and millions invested in crappy operating systems,
but it will never get the COOLNES of amiga 68K!


PS: Bill Mceven, your staff is only going behind your back
to produce a new type of PC.
Just look at what areas that has progressed,
and wich havent, and its clear as crystal.

sorry for that conspiracy propaganda.

[Plaz]

I did some rendering and other testing way back when and an intel 200mhz just barely nicked my 060/66 in most of those test. 060 was definitly better than a similar machine at 166mhz. My 060 still takes about 25 secs to boot. My windows 1gig box, about 3-4 mins. But it is loading several backgroud apps.

Plaz

[Hammer]

Plaz wrote:
I did some rendering and other testing way back when and an intel 200mhz just barely nicked my 060/66 in most of those test.

What about posting some Quake I benchmarks?

060 was definitly better than a similar machine at 166mhz.

Post some benchmarks.

My 060 still takes about 25 secs to boot.

The CPU has very little with the boot speed (in context of your unspecified 1Ghz CPU, assuming HD in UDMA mode). It’s your hard disk’s speed and the available physical memory.

25 secs to boot times is about same speed of my WinXP-SP1 boot speed (not including BIOS's initiation times). ~35 Processes at after login with Silver WinXP GUI theme.  

My windows 1gig box, about 3-4 mins. But it is loading several backgroud apps.

What kind of apps?

[Van_M]

Plaz wrote:
I did some rendering and other testing way back when and an intel 200mhz just barely nicked my 060/66 in most of those test. 060 was definitly better than a similar machine at 166mhz.
Plaz

Then imagine how would, a Motorola Coldfire  perform beside Intel branded, equally clocked CPUs!!! And it's still a 68K processor, not a PPC...

[whabang]

AFAIK, this is due to the fact that the 060/Coldfire's are superscalar, while the Pentium series didn't go superscalar until the PentiumPro.

[DaveP]

Things I like about my classic Amiga:

1. It has an Amiga mouse and Amiga keyboard. Something about them.
2. It has a 240Mhz PPC processor with an 060 which does most things nippily.
3. The Amiga user interface.
4. Some of the software on it.
5. The crisp display using a Mediator and voodoo ( old card I know ).

Things I don't like
1. Instability, gurus.
2. Speed. Sorry, its slow. Slow slow slow.
3. Chip ram limitation. I use many apps at a time, and most of them pinch chipram. Run out real quick.
4. Naff combinations of look and feel, icons that are still in MagicWB format, some UIs use Reaction, others use MUI, some even use original format icons and whatnot.
5. AGA. For gods sake, it crawls! And worse, if you use AGA for anything serious with a decent screen resolution and depth and try and connect to the internet watch that mouse pointer jerk around like windows 3.1 - that is if you can get the internet connection to stay up.
6. Hardware cludge after cludge, if i knock the case too hard the buffered 4 way ide interface pops off that ancient IDE head on the mobo, or the Blizzard trembles and whacks into the side of the case.
7. Not being able to move individual windows off screen or onto other custom screens - Linux has spoiled me.
8. It feels horribly old.

Roll on AOS4 on A1 and save me from this ancient mutant of a machine.

[xyth]

I couldn't agree more.

I'm one of those Amiga users that still happily plods away on a trusty old A1200/030/50Mhz.  Still going great after 12 years.

What's always impressed me about AmigaOS and Amiga programs in general is the sheer amount of power coders can get out of such supposedly limited hardware.

We had all these hardware limits which were broken by clever pieces of software:  "I'm sorry you can only have 32 colours on screen at once". Then someone came up with HAM.

"I'm sorry you've only got 2mb chip memory".  Then someone came up with FBlit.  (My vote for piece of Amiga software ever).

"I'm sorry, there's no way in hell Doom/Quake/whatever will run on an Amiga..."

And so on.

I think Amiga benefitted (though Commodore certainly didn't) from not having HDs for so long as programmers were forced to be innovative and brilliant at running great software from 880k disks on systems with a mere 512k chip mem.

Quake's all nice and everything but give me Alien Breed SE 92 anyday.

One day when I'm wealthy I'll splash out and buy a 060 accelerator for my 1200.  I have no interest in going PPC, it just wouldn't be the same.  I don't know about you guys, but AmigaONE just doesn't really sound like an Amiga to me.  

Besides, I want to hang around and see just what hardware limit's going to be shattered next.

Long live A68k!

 

[LaBodilsen]

well,  i agree with most of the comments, I'm even about to buy a used A4000 (my third) for about $571,  with CSPPC/CVPPC compo and the works.    It's mostly for nostalgic reason though, and just to have one in my collection  :-)  

It will however be used plenty for Demo's and if it runs well,  it might take the place as my primary setup  :-)  

[xyth]

My post was a reply to the first post of the thread, not to the post immediately prior to mine (which was posted whilst I was still writing my post), as in the order all the posts are listed it sounds like I'm condradicting myself or something.





Hmm.  That was a long sentence.

[DaveP]

We had all these hardware limits which were broken by clever pieces of software: "I'm sorry you can only have 32 colours on screen at once". Then someone came up with HAM.

HAM was built in and available all the time.

"I'm sorry you've only got 2mb chip memory". Then someone came up with FBlit. (My vote for piece of Amiga software ever).

Thanks, Ill check that out...!

[Damion]

Slow old AGA is loads faster with FBlit and
FText, no choppy mouse pointers anyhow.

[StevenJGore]

xyth wrote:
I have no interest in going PPC, it just wouldn't be the same. I don't know about you guys, but AmigaONE just doesn't really sound like an Amiga to me.  

That's exactly how I feel too.

[itix]

68060@50MHz is maybe fast, but AGA isnt.

[xyth]

True, AGA isn't as fast as would be ideal.  So maybe one day when I'm considerably wealthier than at present I'll look at getting a tower and graphics card.  Maybe.  In the meantime FBlit is a lifesaver.

Elbox's Mediator towers do look rather nice but the thing that at this stage prevents me from ever getting one is that I'd have to use a PC keyboard, and basically, giving up 'HELP' and the two 'A's just wouldn't be right.  F11 and F12 are just not any consolation.

Stupid I know but sometimes it's the little things that count.