Faster, faster, faster, oh yeah... More Mhz... Give it to me baby!! We have broke the 50Mhz barrier!

[xyth]

True, AGA isn't as fast as would be ideal.  So maybe one day when I'm considerably wealthier than at present I'll look at getting a tower and graphics card.  Maybe.  In the meantime FBlit is a lifesaver.

Elbox's Mediator towers do look rather nice but the thing that at this stage prevents me from ever getting one is that I'd have to use a PC keyboard, and basically, giving up 'HELP' and the two 'A's just wouldn't be right.  F11 and F12 are just not any consolation.

Stupid I know but sometimes it's the little things that count.

[cv643d]

They used to say that a 060 @ 50 MHz was as fast as a P1-133 MHz.
I agree to a degree. From my own experience in raw performance a 060 @ 50 MHz was about as fast a P1 @ 100 to 150 MHz

When I had an A4000 with CV643D card I installed OS3.5 but the whole system felt slow. So I reinstalled OS 3.1 and run my workbench in 4 colors, that was something I could call speedy!

[Samuar]

I get the impression that you peeps dont want to embrace the future of amiga...

[Stimpzilla]

@xyth

It may not be exactly the same, but the standard PC keyboard adaptor provided for an Elbox tower will remap the keys of a standard Win95 keyboard so the Windows keys are the Amiga keys and the help key is next to the right side of the right Win key (can't remember which one that is)

hope this helps.

Stimpy
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[Zorro]

Once with Amiga...

forever with Amiga !!!


 :-D

[FuZion]

I get the impression that you peeps dont want to embrace the future of amiga...

@ Samuar

No no no.. Not at all my friend.

I am sitting here with my AmigaOne-XE just looking at me (Probably thinking I'm a bit crazy)

My classic Amiga with it's B1260/50 is pretty nifty, especially with his Mediator & Voodoo 3 3000 inside ;-). I'm running a resolution of 1152x864 @ 24bits here & it's just loverly. All zippy & smooth. Play Quake in a window while surfing? Why not eh!?

My main point is that ^ The Amiga OS is truly an engineering master piece &, even in it's chimera like state, runs like a dream. Check? Check!

OS4 running on an AmigaOne @ 600Mhz is (I mean it) also going to be a masterpiece.

We do not NEED our new processors to be breaking the 1.x Ghz barrier with optional dual processor capability. It would be nice though.
What we need is to see what it can do on the specs it has to work with.

Yes, I DO want to embrace the Amiga of the future (My arms are open & waiting) but all the talk of: 'more, More, MORE' sounds a bit premature to me. We should not write off our new hardware before we see it running OS4. It might just fool us into thinking we are already at 1.x Ghz on a "mere" 600Mhz.

PS. We won't even have to tamper with our benchmarks like a certain type of fruit that shall remain unnamed :-D

[FuZion]

PS... Did anyone look at my Pacman render I mentioned?

www.deceptiveaudio.co.uk :-P

"Made on Amiga" I think they say ;-)

[Cyberus]

@ FuZion

I have now. That's really cool, I like the 'out of focus' effect.

[Herewegoagain]

FuZion wrote:
PS... Did anyone look at my Pacman render I mentioned?

www.deceptiveaudio.co.uk :-P

"Made on Amiga" I think they say ;-)

So when is it being released?? :-)

About the dual 1GHz or better.  Maybe that would give companies like NewTek a reason to continue Amiga development.

[Im>bE]

Samuar

>I get the impression that you peeps dont want to embrace the future of amiga...

do you mean the
"we'll take advantage of this community, and design a totally new concept with the same name" future?

or the
"Amiga -IS- Amiga68k" future?

[Piru]

"I'm sorry you can only have 32 colours on screen at once". Then someone came up with HAM.

From http://amiga.emugaming.com/ahistory.html:
"In the AUI interview Jay Miner describes his experience of viewing of a military flight simulator developed by Singer-Link. Impressed by what he saw, Miner begins to consider the use of blitters to improve the graphics capabilities. This is eventually developed into HAM (Hold and Modify) during 1985. This made it possible to display 4096 colours at the screen by changing the colour registers. However, early reports suggest that he was willing to remove these capabilities when he realized how slow it was. It was only when the motherboard designer informed him its removal would leave a hole in the middle of the motherboard that he accepts that it will be present in the final version - a wise decision that would distinguish the Commodore Amiga from its Atari rival many years later."

HAM(6) is present on all Amiga hardware, except the very first test hardware.

"I'm sorry you've only got 2mb chip memory". Then someone came up with FBlit.

FBlit cannot really work around the 2MB chip memory limitation. What FBlit does, is to make it possible to use fast memory for *offscreen* bitmaps. This definetely is an improvement, but certainly doesn't have much to do with the 2MB chip memory limit, other than leaving the actual chip memory for the displayed bitmaps.

FBlit's main advantage is that on fast 68k cpu, the CPU is faster for blit operations than the blitter itself, esp. since in best cases both source and destination planes are in fast memory.

[Im>bE]

[amiga1260]

I like to run software on a 060. Sometimes it is faster then my PC with 2.53 Ghz with 512 MB RAM. I also like to play games or applications on my good old 030/50. Running 060 demo's are very impressive to see.

This is the rule that counts for PC's:

The faster the processor, the slower the preformance is.
 

[mdwh2]

xyth wrote:
"I'm sorry, there's no way in hell Doom/Quake/whatever will run on an Amiga..."
 

Well, it's true that some people said Doom wouldn't work on Amigas due to the planar chipset, and they were shown wrong by chunky to planar conversion being done in software.

But software like Quake required hardware advancing to the point where it could run (and indeed, the same in order to run Doom at a decent frame rate). It wasn't a case that someone wrote a magic software hack, and suddenly we were playing Doom/Quake etc on '020 A1200s..

What sort of framerates does Quake get on an '060 with AGA can I ask?

[FuZion]

Granted, Quake isn't too hot on a B1260/50 using AGA. Which is where the GFX card comes in, add a sound card & you gain a few frames still. Why? Because these cards are handling some of the work for the processor.

Buuuuuut... ... ... Wait for it... ... ...

It's still the 50Mhz processor underneath isn't it? Not a big numbered thing. We will add these GFX & sound cards to our AmigaOnes too won't we? But again, DO we need those BIG number processors so urgently? 50Mhz does fine with extra cards joining in the fun. Can't the G3? Or does it need more beef?

I was hoping this thread didn't stray too far off track. In my first post I referred to the processor frequency & how I don't think we need to stress over the 'mini' speed of the A1. Not the fact that AGA slows things down & chip ram causes a few grey hairs. These won't be a problem for the future of Amiga.


10 If OS4=>OS3.9_efficiency Then Mhz=Not_Too_Important
20 Print Mhz
30 Goto 10 : REM Remember that!

[mdwh2]

Well, your posts seem to be talking about how the Amiga doesn't need to have the latest and greatest CPU (ie, 1GHz, dual processor etc), and yes I agree. Whilst it would still be better to have a faster machine than a slower machine, having the fastest desktop CPU isn't the most important factor for the Amiga - for me to return to the Amiga (I currently use WinUAE), it would take a reasonably fast modern machine to be available, but there are plenty of other factors more important than it having the fastest CPUs available.

However when it comes to the idea of how 68k is fine, then I disagree. Of course, I've got nothing against people who are happy using them, but there are plenty of occasions where I value having a faster processor (compilation speed, 3D programming, mp3 encoding, watching videos, playing games), and as a result I feel if there are going to be any new Amigas or Amiga clones, they need to be way ahead of 68k.

Can't the G3? Or does it need more beef?

Well, a G3 might be okay, if the other factors are enough of an improvement over other systems to make me prefer it, and the price is right.

But moving a system with 68k and AGA to a level of performance equal to G3 and graphics cards requires a real G3 and graphics cards. You can't "shatter" this hardware limitation just through clever software tricks.

It's more the other people in this thread that I disagree with; I mostly agree with your original post;)