Merger between AmigaOne and Pegasos dev teams

[Warface]

And again many people agree with me and disagree with you. Interestingly those who agree with you usually don't know much about the design of OS 4.

Just as the opposite is true. I remember those interviews when OS4 developers were asked about MOS - they didn't know it and were not interested in knowing more about it. Also, aren't you working for Hyperion? :-)

[TheMagicM]

I would rather not see a merger ..and I seriously doubt that would happen anyway.   It promotes competition and a better product.  What I think will probably happen is that software will get developed for the Peggy and then ported to the A1 or vice versa.

[HMetal]

Sorry for being off topic. But your personal insult Mr Akey was absolutely uncalled for.

Well, since this got turned around on me instead of given the proper thought, I'll expand on why I made the comments..

What is uncalled for is that I get crap because I bring up an issue which should be adressed, not shrugged off.  

What is uncalled for is calling my (factual) representation "uncalled for" yet people do that same thing to and about Amiga Inc. and everyone jumps on the bandwagon.  Do you see the pattern here?  No?  Look harder.

What is uncalled for is that I went into the supposed MorphOS "support" channel to see if AmiFTPd (and other products of my own personal development) worked under MorphOS.  I got mixed replies.  One said yes, another said it ran slowly, another said it wouldn't run at all for them under MorphOS.  The actual users and application developers (at least those who weren't getting the "camp standard" Amiga Inc. digs in) were very helpful but I couldn't continue my investigation..

What I was doing was trying to determine if it would be worth my while to investigate WHY some could run it and others couldn't as it runs fine on AmigaOS, for newbies and advanced users alike, out of the box so-to-speak.

While there were quite a few very helpful and courteous attendees, I would have expected more from the creator of MorphOS than asking me to leave simply on the basis of my association with Amiga Inc.   Amiga has never and would never ask anyone to leave our PUBLIC support channel simply based on association.   There would have to be some netiquette offense for that to happen.

Maybe instead of criticising my comments and calling them "uncalled for," you might think of being a little more encouraging and a little less suspect of developers who enter your support channel and want to develop for both solutions, no matter who they are and for whom they work.

My only question is wouldn't it be easier to just FIX the problem instead of biting the hand of the messenger?

..I shall now exit this thread after having to expand unnecessarily on my initial complaint, in hopes that it may be fixed if I should ever get the will to enter that channel again..

[GGS]

Hello there Ray :-)

If you want I can try AmiFTPd on my Pegasos. As you might know I registered it a couple of years ago, and yes I'm still using it here :-) It works quite ok on the Amiga. I did try it ones on the Pegasos, when i used the first betatester-machine. It didn't work properly then, but that was also a very early version of MorphOS. I will give it a try tomorrow again, and come back to you.

Bye

[kd7ota]

@HMetal

All I have to say is:
You rock! =) I am impressed for how you can present yourself after being tooken down from tons of MorphOS gurus.

@MorphOS Gurus

 Its a pity seeing 2 companies that are small right now fight at it. (Amiga RULES!)
When AmigaOS4 is available, I am going to buy that. MorphOS?? Heard of it a few times, but naw, AMIGA RULES! Don't care who developes it. I know some of you argued that "They have developers that don't know nothing about a real-time operating system." You know what, No one wants to hear your moaning and go fix it yourself if you think you know what is happening.

@Everyone

Its simple. You want an Amiga, buy an Amiga. You want MorphOS, then buy it.  Arguments are not even needed.

I said what I needed, so thanks for reading. If anyone opposes, I might read it a few weeks afterwards. Thanks.

[GGS]

Hi kd7ota :-)

So, you are fighting... :-)

[Darth_X]

magnetic wrote:
 
  I dont blame Ralph for being paranoid he tried to work with Ainc and they tried to lowball him and he turned them down so he wouldnt have to sell out to them. Cant blame him especially since all their development was their own in a time when Amiga looked dead as a doornail. MOS has been out a long time. I have an older Amiga mag that has an Amiga press release stating Bplan to make A1.  Now, its a rebadged Teron board.. which is cool if its running something.. like an operating system
magnetic

btw you of course know if it wasnt for Ralph and Carda and the Phase5 guys we wouldnt even be talking about any of this becuase they created the first PPC implementation  for Amiga.

anyone have a scan of that article? I'd like to see it.

[HMetal]

@GGS

Any input or test results you have regarding AmiFTPd would be most welcome.  Thank-you.

[HMetal]

kd7ota wrote:
All I have to say is:
You rock! =) I am impressed for how you can present yourself after being tooken down from tons of MorphOS gurus.

It's not necessary to compliment me for being honest and factual but thanks anyways.

As always, I speak the truth, even if others do at times try and read between the lines; failing miserably in the process. :-)

[downix]

@HMetal

ya know you could have asked.

I run AmiFTPd on my Peggy with only minor problems.  Speed-wise it's fine, but Miami keeps having the TCP stack lock-up when I run it.

[Darth_X]

MagicSN wrote:
And again many people agree with me and disagree with you. Interestingly those who agree with you usually don't know much about the design of OS 4.

Sorry, a statement that an advantage of MOS over OS 4 would be the better design I cannot leave standing. I would state it the other way round.

Steffen

What do you mean by this specifically?

[itix]

While there were quite a few very helpful and courteous attendees, I would have expected more from the creator of MorphOS than asking me to leave simply on the basis of my association with Amiga Inc. Amiga has never and would never ask anyone to leave our PUBLIC support channel simply based on association. There would have to be some netiquette offense for that to happen.

I was there when you were asked to leave.

First of all, owner (that is a guy with op of IRC channel can decide who can be there and who not. So, if they dont want Amiga Inc. employees, then they dont. Maybe not nice for you but such is life. And to be honest, you are not always that kind person either.

Another thing is that IRC channel is not strictly dev support channel. It is also for general discussion and you were not only one asking if his app works in MOS. Although me and many other are often helping and testing if requested it can get boring.

And about AmiFTPd: As I told on IRC it should work if it is written in system friendly. Nothing worry about.

[uncharted]

itix wrote:

While there were quite a few very helpful and courteous attendees, I would have expected more from the creator of MorphOS than asking me to leave simply on the basis of my association with Amiga Inc. Amiga has never and would never ask anyone to leave our PUBLIC support channel simply based on association. There would have to be some netiquette offense for that to happen.

I was there when you were asked to leave.

First of all, owner (that is a guy with op of IRC channel can decide who can be there and who not. So, if they dont want Amiga Inc. employees, then they dont. Maybe not nice for you but such is life. And to be honest, you are not always that kind person either.

Another thing is that IRC channel is not strictly dev support channel. It is also for general discussion and you were not only one asking if his app works in MOS. Although me and many other are often helping and testing if requested it can get boring.

And about AmiFTPd: As I told on IRC it should work if it is written in system friendly. Nothing worry about.

Ralph Schmidt used to be on (and occasionally post) the official AmigaOne Mailing list.  No-one ever asked him to leave, even when he posted crap.  Why should Ray not be allowed to join the MorphOS channel?  He has been an Amiga developer for far longer than he has worked for Amiga Inc.

Also that whole thing about system friendly is bollocks quite frankly, there are bound to be cases where things don't work quite properly, it comes with the territory when you are reimplementing and emulating a computer system.  I've heard of a few programs that don't work properly straight out of the box on MOS, checking this is something sensible to do. First rule of networking - "Assumption is the mother of all ####-ups"

If Amiga Inc are really as broke as you people say, and AOS as ####e and doomed as the fanatics claim surely it would be beneficial for Ray to look at MOS.  Or is it just all crap, and you guys are bricking it? :-o

[meerschaum]

@HMetal

the way I see it is this... bieng asked to leave shouldnt be a big deal... your an Amiga.inc employee(helper?) and thats fine...that biend said...you made some feel uncomfortable bieng there and they asked you to leave(you didnt do anything bad of course, but you bieng an amiga.inc worker was enough)... it shouldnt be that  big of a deal ... I dont even know for sure  that you really ever left ;-)  but ignorance is bliss of course.....

IRC isnt real life, and IRC isnt a democracy... you can get banned for anything...and sometimes you just need to take it with a grain of salt...

[itix]

Why should Ray not be allowed to join the MorphOS channel?

Remember chat is like a living room where you spend your time and have fun. Mailing list is merely technical forum. I dont keep logs from IRC channels but from my memory:

»»RS said he has no personal problems with Ray, but he doesnt want to be careful with his sayings when a guy from rival company is hanging around.

Could you imagine RS on #OS4 if there were Frieden brothers chatting, maybe talking about future plans? RS asking if some of his old apps work in OS4... I think they would not feel too comfortable either.

Also that whole thing about system friendly is bollocks quite frankly, there are bound to be cases where things don't work quite properly, it comes with the territory when you are reimplementing and emulating a computer system.

If application is written in system friendly manner but doesnt work then problem is more likely in the OS. There were cases when certain application was not working until OS update.

Whatever, I tried AmiFTPd on MorphOS now and it works. System: A1200/BPPC/MOS.

I've heard of a few programs that don't work properly straight out of the box on MOS, checking this is something sensible to do.

Absolutely. But I doubt Ray was going to change anything since apps seemed to be old. (AmiFTPd doesnt know even 060).

[Darth_X]

MagicSN wrote:

I have to admit I see our project as being more "also looking into the future"

i'd put the OS design as a "pro" for OS 4...

Steffen

Steffen, how about ACM for OS4? :-?