Could you imagine RS on #OS4 if there were Frieden brothers chatting, maybe talking about future plans? RS asking if some of his old apps work in OS4... I think they would not feel too comfortable either.
...would I have to imagine that they are horribly ignorant about IRC, then? What, software teams just discuss all future plans out in the open?
Ever heard of private, secret channels? Channels with passwords? /opnotice? /msg? /dcc chat?
I'm glad some of the movers and shakers in the Amiga community go out of their way to take the high road with this stuff. Sheesh.
This is akin to going to E3 and having ATI and Valve talk about special business negotiations on the floor in front of the ATI booth. Gee, I wonder why there are private conference rooms and closed rooms for business meetings and discussions? Same analogy you use for the "living room." If you have something important to say, you step outside and chat in private or you go to the basement for discussion while the main party is going on upstairs.
I certainly don't follow every word in the holy wars that go on here, but to ask someone to leave when he wants to perhaps get his programs working on your platform just sucks. Then to have some rabid followers then act all haughty and justified and flame that person for ASKING FOR FEEDBACK on the platform that said rabid followers support, that's just low class.
Maybe he's part of the "enemy" but instead of embracing a potential ally/turncoat, people just take partisan sides and flame away because he OBVIOUSLY has only malicious intent.
Jesus. For the longest time the name Amiga was, to me, synonymous with fun and friendliness, creativity and camaderie. The longer I read this site (and this is supposed to be one of the "tame" and "friendly" Amiga sites, right?), the more I see how the entire community has turned into spite and jaded users flinging mud back and forth.
It used to be that cracking groups had friendly competitions to out-do each other, that was the extent of conflict (from my outsider view of the Amiga users/community) that Amiga had. Now I see only people flaming each other, taking verbal swipes at one another, and generally being rude.
If this is what "Amiga" has become, why bother? Most of y'all are trying to hold onto and preserve a dream, the Amiga of yesteryear. While I find that highly admirable, well, look around. It's dead. It's dead in the top of the current Amiga world and all that is happening is that the same crap is trickling down.
Sure, take this point to start pointing fingers and laying blame, but hell, that's part of the problem. And it ain't going to change. I don't know what Amiga has become in the last 5 years, but it ain't so good. I don't mean hardware and software, either, but I mean the people and the community. I was looking forward to the time when I got some spare $ to pick up an old A1200 to play around with and find out where the roots of moddemos and tracker programs came from.
Now? It hardly seems worth the effort. I used to be somewhat excited at the prospect of new Amiga hardware and software coming out, but what's the point? I'll have to enjoy things in seclusion, I guess, because the online community is now just a few elitist groups who are too blinded by animousity and history to ever reconcile. I just look forward to the day that I join #mos-support and get instantly kickbanned because someone saw me post something pro-AINC on some messageboard.
That's where the community seems to be going. Or, should I say, the various splinter groups. The sad part is that they don't even have the class to be civil to each other or deign to help each other out.
Heh, there's one advantage of OpenSores--no money to come between people/groups, eh.
Feel free to flame based on my rant. It's honestly expected.
