Merger between AmigaOne and Pegasos dev teams

[Samuar]

What about convincing developers to leave their current projects, instead using their valuable skills on an open source project that could be available for ever?

I don't like to sound like an Anti-AmigaOS -ophile but, I dont have high hopes for AmigaOS 4. AmigaOne will only be worthwhile if the software is modern and useful.

I might be interested in porting a PPC Linux to AmigaOne or Pegasos. Already ported x86 Linux to SH4 based Sega Dreamcast :-)  Would anyone else be interested in creating or using said port?

[magnetic]

@Russ
 No, whats sad is how Amiga inc is run. Thats sad.  "Club Amiga" "The Fun Pack" "On schedule and rockin" Thats sad.
 
  I dont blame Ralph for being paranoid he tried to work with Ainc and they tried to lowball him and he turned them down so he wouldnt have to sell out to them. Cant blame him especially since all their development was their own in a time when Amiga looked dead as a doornail. MOS has been out a long time. I have an older Amiga mag that has an Amiga press release stating Bplan to make A1.  Now, its a rebadged Teron board.. which is cool if its running something.. like an operating system
magnetic

btw you of course know if it wasnt for Ralph and Carda and the Phase5 guys we wouldnt even be talking about any of this becuase they created the first PPC implementation  for Amiga. :-o

[greenboy]

Samuar,

Phoenix and Genesi have a number of Open Source OSes being ported to the Pegasos. Get in touch if you wish :  }

[MagicSN]

>What about convincing developers to leave their >current projects, instead using their valuable skills >on an open source project that could be available >for ever?

Please understand that people for OS 4 (and I assume the same is true for MOS) are being *payed*
for the work they do on the OS.  Few people would
quit a payed job in order to do OpenSource developement which nobody pays instead. Also I'd
name the developement of OS 4 "extremely important" (and the MOS-developers surely think the
same about MOS), while some OpenSource
apps might at best be "important, but someone else can do this too". Actually I *will* port some OpenSource things in the future - but I will only support Amiga OS 4 then

>I don't like to sound like an Anti-AmigaOS -ophile >but, I dont have high hopes for AmigaOS 4.

Well, I have, though.

> AmigaOne will only be worthwhile if the software >is modern and useful.

Agreed. And it will

>I might be interested in porting a PPC Linux to >AmigaOne or Pegasos. Already ported x86 Linux to >SH4 based Sega Dreamcast  Would anyone else be >interested in creating or using said port?

I assume you are not aware that several PPC-Linux'es are already available for both machines ?
You ever read any reports on the machines at all ?

BTW: I do not see any sense in a "merger" of both teams. Both OSes are drifting fast apart - more every week -, and neither of them could do this without giving up a considerable part of the features of their OS (or loosing compatibility...). Also there has been a lot of bad blood. Furthermore I do not see any advantage in a merger. It's not both AmigaOS, it
is AmigaOS on this side and MOS on the other side.
Some prefer AmigaOS, some prefer MOS.

Of course one team could
give up their OS totally, but that will not happen.
On the long hand of course one of them might
disappear, but we will see.

What are these "Amiga's developement problems" in the original post referring to BTW ? I am on the OS 4 Developement team and am not aware of any problems...

Steffen Haeuser

[Samuar]

Thanks greenboy:

Who should I talk to/which sites should I be looking at?

[takemehomegrandma]

Samuar wrote:
Does anyone believe opening up the source under the GNU General Purpose Licence (GPL) Agreement would benefit AmigaOS?

It could drastically speed up the development, and help the followers of Amiga to feel more involved - so that it becomes their AmigaOS, rather than a corporate thang.

Ever heard of AROS? They have come a long way by now, but there is still some distance left. And it has not been *that* speedy, despite the open source, but then of course, they don't have ... !

[Samuar]

Development problems. Timescales. The longer amiga users wait, the more likely they are to be swallowed by x86 fanatics. Its only a matter of time before they give in to peer pressure, unfortunately. brand new x86 systems running linux are available for £350 - and if your a student, thats a tempting offer.

My concern is that I am studying Computer Science at UMIST, Manchester, U.K. - the Computation Dept. of which is rated highly - and I have not heard the word "Amiga" uttered once. I find that sad and daunting.

So, when is AmigaOS going to be released?

[Madgun68]

I wouldn't have said it four months ago, but a collaboration is something I'd rather not see. The AOS4 effort is basically targeting a specific community where-as the Pegasos/MorphOS is looking at the point and beyond.

And, with the exception of Hyperion, I have lost my faith in those currently involved with the new Amiga.

[greenboy]

Hi Samaur,

Someone mentioned AROS, which is also being ported to Pegasos in Phoenix. You should also be aware of the Genesi/Phoenix Summer Promotion. In fact, I am even taking applications for Phree Boards! These are going to qualified developers only. Originally I requested TEN of these, but due to the quality of applicants, I have dickered with Bill Buck of Genesi for TWENTY more (in several rounds), to get a total of THIRTY.

See A Peggin' I will go! for a little more on this ... I like working with Genesi because they believe in seeding development :  }

I only have a couple left, but if your short CV looks right, you might be able to nab one. These are what are known as Betatesters - Pegasos boards that were made before the Mai Articia bugs were fixed by adding Genesi's April chip. They work for development and were in fact in other developers' machines until they got free upgrades to April-fixed boards. We will NOT sell or give them to end users, but we do see their value for the next round of seeding. Actually you could have a lot of fun with one of these!

Sig has Phoenix website (which has my email @ddress),

[takemehomegrandma]

@ MagicSN

Suddenly "Clone Wars" (Star Wars) pops up in my head. We have clones, we have Pegs in Space and we have the Friedens brothers with their light sabres! :-)

I'm sure that all clones will do well in the future, AROS because of it's independence and openness, MOS because of it's design and business, and OS4 because of it's legacy and the name.

[MagicSN]

>I wouldn't have said it four months ago, but a >collaboration is something I'd rather not see. The >AOS4 effort is basically targeting a specific >community where-as the Pegasos/MorphOS is >looking at the point and beyond.

I have to admit I see our project as being more "also looking into the future"

takemehomegrandma:

>I'm sure that all clones will do well in the future, >AROS because of it's independence and openness, >MOS because of it's design and business, and OS4 >because of it's legacy and the name.

i'd put the OS design as a "pro" for OS 4...

Steffen

[falemagn]

i'd put the OS design as a "pro" for OS 4...

Well, some people, me included, disagree with you on that one.

[Cymric]

Samuar wrote: ... My concern is that I am studying Computer Science at UMIST, Manchester, U.K. - the Computation Dept. of which is rated highly - and I have not heard the word "Amiga" uttered once. I find that sad and daunting. ...

Why would your curriculum mention the name Amiga anywhere? It could perhaps be mentioned as an example of the efficiency of doing without virtual memory spaces: the performance on (by today's standards) mediocre hardware is sufficient testimony of that. Other that that, all the features of a multitasking OS (scheduling, messaging, signalling, deadlocks, ...) are present in something like Linux, Minix, Windows, and the Lord knows what else too. And they come with the added bonus of having a working implementation of a VM subsystem ;-). Bottom line: if you know how an Amiga handles things, you know how another OS handles it, and vice versa.

[MagicSN]

And again many people agree with me and disagree with you. Interestingly those who agree with you usually don't know much about the design of OS 4.

Sorry, a statement that an advantage of MOS over OS 4 would be the better design I cannot leave standing. I would state it the other way round.

Steffen

[PMC]

What a waist of talented programers.

Couldn't agree more.  It is a shame that the situation is what it is today with a small community struggling to survive being divided up.

Although I have a lot of respect of the work acheived by both camps, I'd be happier if it was just one.

[Warface]

And again many people agree with me and disagree with you. Interestingly those who agree with you usually don't know much about the design of OS 4.

Just as the opposite is true. I remember those interviews when OS4 developers were asked about MOS - they didn't know it and were not interested in knowing more about it. Also, aren't you working for Hyperion? :-)