AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[mahen]

The only thing I hope is that people will
get the *best* product (or the only one available
if the other one is not to be ready before a long
time).

But considering what's happening on ann.lu, etc.
most people just want AmigaOS4, the official
one, and some don't even want to consider the
other one, if both were available.

Althought what matters is THE PRODUCT ITSELF !

MorphOS (I'm better tester) is absolutely usable
now, but still need some work to hunt the remaining
bugs, add some features... But it's usable now,
so why not consider getting it, and then get aos4
for pegasos when it's ready ?

An important point is that the pegasos is designed,
made, etc, by the amiga community, whereas the
amigaone is made by a company which has nothing
to do with the amiga...

Anyway, I will get both OS'es if I can run both
of them on my pegasos b/c all programmers, I'm
sure, have done a ####ing good job, and all
deserve to be rewarded....

THE MOST IMPORTANT THING : COOPERATION !
Make as many things as possible available to
both os'es : we are ONE community, ONE market;
there are two similar OS'es. If one is crap,
drop it. If both are great, don't destroy it
b/c of camps...

The pb is when AOS and MOS will get different
directions (that is to say, when AOS
- hum... - merges with the DE (not likely before
a long time, maybe never as hyperion has nothing
to do with the DE), and when MOS moves out side
of its ABOX.

(morphos still crashes with buggy applications b/c
there is no memory protection inside the ABOX;
and at this time, there's not much outside the ABOX,
but it'll change. AOS 4 is supposed to integrate
a sort of memory protection which is much more
complicated and maybe will break compatibility
b/c AOS wasn't designed to have some...... But it
should instantly prevent programs from crashing...

OK, I'm done

[mahen]

oops,
I meant "I'm beta tester"

and not... "I"m better tester" !!!

I"m not so full of myself !!

[THEONE]

mahen wrote:
oops,
I meant "I'm beta tester"

and not... "I"m better tester" !!!

I"m not so full of myself !!

well cant you get better or are you amiga inc.  lol :-D  :-P

[ksk]

@strobe
... You don't have to sign an NDA or any other such restriction. Is I understand it, it's just like buying the end product, only earlier. You buy the product from a distributor and you can do whatever you want with it. ...

I wonder if this is valid:
"
Announcing BETATESTER and Team Betatester!

The time has come for Thendic-France/bplan to start selling machines. We are not going to call it the Pegasos for now.
We are going to call the pre-release version of the Pegasos with the pre-release version of MorphOS for PPC:
BETATESTER. MorphOS may not be ready for regular computer users, but it is ready for developers.
You can purchase a BETATESTER for 1000 Euros (tax not included).

Team Betatester will be composed of people who do/agree to do the following:
1. Purchase a BETATESTER for 1000 Euros (tax not included)
2. Sign an NDA
3. Sign an Agreement not to sell the machine (we will purchase back all machines that need to be sold for any reason).
4. Provide a minimum of two bug reports per week (including negative reports)
until the conclusion of the BETATESTER program (approximately 12 weeks).
5. Agree to test applications as required/time permits
6. Test new peripheral devices including the Thendic Smart Card Reader
(for secure FTP access, online payment and loyalty programs),
the DataPlay disc drive and the ComCam and associated viewing software.

Team Betatester members may also agree/become eligible to port applications to MorphOS
for hire by Thendic-France/bplan. In exchange, Team Betatester members will receive:
1. A MorphOS for PPC v.90 T-shirt
2. A free copy of the commercial release of MorphOS for PPC v1.0 when it is ready.
3. A discount on the Betatester G4 upgrade
4. Access to the Betatester FTP for updates,
fixes, test applications and application releases.
and of course a BETATESTER with
a TWO-YEAR WARRANTY for Hardware!
"
here: http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester-en.htm
and here: http://www.thendic-france.com/TECH/US/products/pegasos/betatester.htm

I found some clarifications from morphos-news.de:
"
15-Oct-2002: Betatester Clarifications  
Betatester I

Purchased from Thendic-France -- 1000 Euros complete; 650 Euros mainboard with CPU module (both prices less VAT)
Sign NDA and provide at least a bug report a week
Participate on the core testing team
FTP access to latest OS releases and applications
Testing of peripheral devices
First to receive upgrade to G4 package

Betatester II

Purchased from any authorized Distributor or Reseller
Sign up with Betatester II form found on MorphOS v1.0 CD
Access to new releases of OS (major releases not daily/weekly upgrades)
Opportunity to participate in December Conference
Opportunity to port or test applications, develop or test peripherals, create demos or website concepts and win contest prizes of 1000 Euros for each catagory
"

But still it's not clear to me...
- What do one get if one buys the system, where's the full feature list?
- what works on what HW combination?
- what does the "form to be signed" contain?
- Is one allowed to sell the product further? (previously it was not allowed) (could one dare to send the system to phase5 guys hoping one gets money back...)
- what size is the T-shirt  ;-)

[Blomberg]

THEONE wrote:
@The_Editor


All that I have to say is this guy is a totally ass maybe just maybe I will...nah he isnt worth it.
Hey I have an Idea smart ASS
Ill meet You midway and we will see who has the brains
will have some guys as neutral parties standby and watch.(judge). Im ready to go now.  Humm main or virginia would be about halfway for me.  This isnt about killing you becsause I dont say I do ,second im not that type of person unless provoked.

Nope i have been to alot of linux forums and they agree with me unlike agreeing with you. Rember I belive in the Itnaium and redhat for  Itanium and you dont know about either. So where in the hell do you get that idea, oh yeah your using using #### for brains you idiot . so wanna meet and put your money where your mouth is.

Wtf??  :-o
Some people ...  :roll:

[THEONE]

Wtf??
Some people ...

it was directed at  The_editor.  
If you cant understand that or you cant understand why I did such a thign then dont worry about it.

here it is. I got tired of his bs so I called his bluff which of course is all he has and he knows nothign of anything hence the attack.

[AmiGod]

wonea,

AmigaONE or Pegasos?

It's never been a question for me.  I knew I'd be getting the A1 from the start.  There was never a decision to make with regards to which I'd get.

The decisions come once I have the A1 in my hands.  Such as "Radeon 7500, or does the Radeon 9700 work with AOS4.0" and "Soundblaster Live or Soundblaster Audigy 2", and even "regular ATX tower, or mod my own".

AmiGod
---
All about the drool-factor.

[strobe]

It sounds like MorphOS has yet to implement a means of communication across the A-Box border. After all, why else would their user space apps run in A-Box?

IIRC Hyperion has already said AOS4 doesn't have a sandbox for legacy. They defend this position by saying nearly all software will be legacy to begin with, but I don't fancy this trade-off. I remember all too well the hell of 68k compatibility in MacOS versus the joy of Classic (which is a virtual machine). With the former solution 68k and PPC apps could use the same libraries, there is less overhead, and it was easier to implement but old apps can still crash your system. With the latter solution all legacy apps run on a virtual machine running a complete OS then communicate to new apps (clipboard, drag+drop, IPC, networking, etc.) by patching the legacy OS. The disadvantages are the opposite of the former advantages.

I much prefer the sandbox solution even if it takes longer to implement.

[strobe]

PS: I should have referred to the 68k solution as "mixed mode" or mixed mode manager (in case you're looking for a reference).

[The_Editor]

Did I miss something ??


                     
 ..                       IIIIIIIIIII-|_**__
                       /-----------| cfa |<
                       +--(0)--------(0)-     Let me put your fire out...you hothead...

 :-D

[THEONE]

The_Editor wrote:
Did I miss something ??


                     
 ..                       IIIIIIIIIII-|_**__
                       /-----------| cfa |<
                       +--(0)--------(0)-     Let me put your fire out...you hothead...

 :-D

me the hot head you said things which you know nothing of and cant prove anything of and I just called your bluff.I knew i would get a cop out . You with the name calling, and me I shouldnt defend myself against  that. Get a life . I did it quite well I might add and your just fumming mad like a little child that you are.

Get a life go back to the   petemoss not peter moss stupid-  to clarify it the BOGS. dam and you live in the uk you are stupid.

HERE ENDTH THE LESSON

[The_Editor]

??

Name calling ?

Who the hells ..........

Peter Moss ??

I once went to school with a "Stuart Moss",  he had a big brother called "Geof Moss",

Are they related  to this "mythical" Peter that you are refering to?

I seem to be missing the link !!

oh well .... "All sorts to make a world".
 :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o  :-o

[Piru]

> But it [MP] should instantly prevent programs from
> crashing...

Common misconception here, MP does not prevent programs from crashing. If implemented properly, it prevent the OS itself from crashing along the offending program.

[THEONE]

Piru wrote:
> But it [MP] should instantly prevent programs from
> crashing...

Common misconception here, MP does not prevent programs from crashing. If implemented properly, it prevent the OS itself from crashing along the offending program.

actaully its a lay over for oses which are really dos shells.  If you have a good os you dont need it.
in either case an added advantage

[Kay]

> actaully its a lay over for oses which are really dos shells. If you have a good os you dont need it.
> in either case an added advantage

I'm sorry, but I thought it was a mechanism for programs (such as for example OS components) to protect the memory they are using. This would prevent poorly programmed software from overwriting or otherwise tampering with parts of memory used by the OS (or other programs using MP). To me, this sounds vastly useful, as poorly programmed software will always exist, and this scheme would prevent one such program from bringing down other applications or, indeed, the OS itself. Now, you say it is redundant in a good OS. In that case, I have completely misunderstood what MP is, and would very much like to hear the proper explanation.

Kay

[vortexau]

Well, at least I know what the OUTSIDE of my A1-to-be looks like:






Its BLACK! :hammer: