AmigaONE or Pegasos, which one will it be sir?

[Glaucus]

I will bet anybody here $1000 USD that AOS4 will not even be DEMONSTRATED in any form on the A1 this year!!! It's a friggin impossibility!

This year or next year, I don't care, as long as they get it right.

The way I see it, technical merits aren't the only thing here.  We're talking about a computer that will enjoy a very very small market.  I would rather by an inferior system that has more software available.  I think the Amiga name can draw more developers and users in, and in the long run could come out ahead of MOS.  MOS & Pegasos might be better technically, but that doesn't interest me.  I wouldn't spend $2 on a system that has no future.

If it turns out that the AmigaOne has no future then it's bye-bye Amiga and I'll just move on to other things.

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

There is no reason to fear that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Furthermore there is no uncertainty that AOS4 doesn't run on the AmigaOne. Not now, not when the A1 is sold, and not any time next year.

You know, if you told me you wanted a MOS/Pegasos system for it's technical merits I could respect that.  But when you sit here and talk out of your ass about #### you have no clue about it gets really annoying, really fast.  Why don't you take your thoughts on the A1/AOS4 and stick 'em up your ass!

  - Mike

Playstation 3 Vs Xbox

didnt catch that

generally speaking products in the same catagory follow progression suchas PS3/Xbox.

The ones out THIS year will be obselete by the ones in 5 years.

with A1/MOS you cant really make that comparison since the A1 will use a G3 600mhz wich is no better then Pegasos :O) and we have no idea when it's comming out.

[olegil]

zacman wrote:
>In what way is it difficult to plug in power, memory,
>harddrive and graphics card and press the power-
>on button?

I don't know. Let's see:

at OASE:
BIOS didn't work (RAM was not recognized, later the
CD ROM device was recognised as a HD) -> no
booting was possible

at Pianta Amiga:
Do not know the reasons: but there was no running
AmigaOne

at Oulu:
No working AmigaOne was shown (because of
some BIOS problems, which I don't know what they
were).

So please tell me what was so difficult, that there
was no working AmigaOne at the last weeks'
shows?

Finnish show:
IT HAD NO FREAKING BIOS INSTALLED, that's the problem. It was a motherboard shipped to a user, the firmware chip was shipped later. Lack of frigging chip is NOT something the end user will EVER have to worry about, no?

The XE didn't have firmware trouble, it had no working Linux.

Oh, and about the OASE:
Was the RAM on the list of supported types? I mean, how difficult is it to check that you buy memory that's supposed to work, as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?

[Kronos]

@olegil

Which prooves actually what ?

Severe lack of coordination from Eyetech, as I have yet seen such a
desaster (and it's nothing else) on a Pegasos-show, even those not
directly done by Thendic themselfes.

as opposed to actively going out of your way to find memory that's NOT gonna work?

I just hope I misunderstood you here, cause I read it as you claim
that someone sabotaged that show on purpose by making sure
that the RAM won't work.

Shipping board and BIOS seperatly sound just plain stupid !

[zacman]

>I mean, how difficult is it to check that you buy
>memory that's supposed to work, as opposed to
>actively going out of your way to find memory that's
>NOT gonna work?

Oh at least this is news. But as I told you after the
Mem  issue was solved, there still was the problem
with the cdrom...

It seems you need very special hardware for the
AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not
accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly
I would say.

[jtsiren]

>Severe lack of coordination from Eyetech, as I
>have yet seen such a
>desaster (and it's nothing else) on a Pegasos-
>show, even those not
>directly done by Thendic themselfes.

Well, to be perfectly honest, there was this once incident in the U.S. when Thendic failed to mail their stuff to a show in time?

But when taking into consideration their active participation at various events all around the world as a whole, they certainly have a far more impressive track-record on demonstrations.

[wonea]

I think it can be persumed that AmigaOS 4 will be released next year as there has hardly been any PR push at all.  While things have been heating up on the MorphOS side of things.

http://www.morphos-news.de/index.php?lg=en&nid=109&si=1

People complain about all there is a demonstration with a few selected apps for MorphOS.  What the hell are you saying!?  It's basically a new platform you can't expect the world in two seconds.  Also I think the Pegasos machine is good value, firewire, usb, all wrapped up in a delicious box.  Very Tasty.

If the Amiga community split on the decision between the two platform it could be fatal.  People saying they don't want to spend £$ is also crazy.  Apart from buying second hand hardware and upgrades since 1995, what else has there been in terms of computer hardware?

The only advantage AmigaINC have is the Amiga name.  The fields flat, and I see Pegasos as the winner.  Simply because I can surf to find out whats going on.

[Kronos]

@jtsiren

They did say that it would be a close call when the show was announced,
and they did make sure that they were sending out a working package.

Thats all they could do, and that show wasn't even an official one, but one
where one of the Betatesters asked if he could demonstrate his brand
new machine.

Another venue was found and the presentation happened last week.
link

I recently caught a demo of Pegasos ( a Beta unit) running MorphOS. The machine had a g3 running @600 MHz - the CPU was cool to the touch with no fan being used!  The Pegasos can also use the G4 prossecors.
I was trully impressed by the demo. The motherboard has loads of ports, including USB, and has PCI slots, and an AGP slot for the video card.
This machine seemed very stable, and very fast! I would buy one in a heart beat if the price is right.
So far I have seen nothing of the Amiga One, so I can't compare them....

[GGS]

Well, lot of discussions here... :-)

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It seems you need very special hardware for the AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly I would say.

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As I see it, not so very special... but you need to know that you get the right ones. And it's not only for the AmigaOne it is in that way, it's quite common, and will for instance be the same for both Aone and Pegasos.

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As for what has been showed and yet not, it will soon be more and better information available, and also better shows... people are working on it...

As for showing AmigaOne running, this site from the Gothenburg event offer quite many picturs, and some smaller videos;

http://www.amigbg.com

Enjoy :-)

[The_Editor]

Y'know.....  I'm so bored I think I'll go take a looky

[The_Editor]

Well ............... At least there nice & clear

[wonea]

To me its neck and neck.  Either way I'll be buying just the motherboard & CPU.  Then mix and match what I want, from what's supported.  Though as much as I like the Pegasos I've got a gut feeling to buy a AmigaONE.

[Glaucus]

It seems you need very special hardware for the AmigaOne as it seems that the BIOS does not accept common devices and RAM. Not user-friendly I would say.

That's more common then you might think.  Even ASUS boards have problems with specific ram modules when they are first released.  Typically, all the BIOS upgrades they release just add support for more and more ram modules.  Currently ASUS' new KT400 (A7V8X) motherboards support only 6 or 7 different PC3200 DIMMs.  That is bound to change with later revisions of the BIOS.  That's the nice thing about a flashable BIOS, and the AmigaOne is flashable, so no worries really.  Since it's still being developed they have bigger worries then to make sure it works with every ram chip out there.

And just to put my money where my wouth is, check the bottom of this page: ASUS A7V8X Spec Sheet

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

Apart from buying second hand hardware and upgrades since 1995, what else has there been in terms of computer hardware?

AMD & ASUS.  Who says my next computer has to be an Amiga?  It's one thing to build a computer, it's another to build a market.  I'm not interested in who makes a better PPC box, I want a useable market that will make the PPC box worth it's keep.  That's the bottom line, and I couldn't care less what a few geeks think about the hardware.

  - Mike