Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D

A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

A was stated by both of the genetic clones on more than one occasion.

[jkirk]

CannonFodder wrote:

jkirk wrote:

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D

A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

A was stated by both of the genetic clones on more than one occasion.

so you are saying the friedens are the liars? and not hyperion. :-)

[gertsy]

Splitters the lot of them..

I wave my private parts at their Aunties and call their legal claims a "silly thing"..

 :rtfm:

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:

CannonFodder wrote:

jkirk wrote:

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D

A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

A was stated by both of the genetic clones on more than one occasion.

so you are saying the friedens are the liars? and not hyperion. :-)

Well when the court case finishes we will find out I guess.

[jkirk]

CannonFodder wrote:
Well when the court case finishes we will find out I guess.

well it really don't matter to this case it just annoys me when everyone jumps to conclusions about ainc or hyperion. imo this case has more to do with miscommunication and misunderstandings than anything tangible. now both sides are pissed and going for everything(or so it seems). of course that will all come out in the trial as well.

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:

CannonFodder wrote:
Well when the court case finishes we will find out I guess.

well it really don't matter to this case it just annoys me when everyone jumps to conclusions about ainc or hyperion. imo this case has more to do with miscommunication and misunderstandings than anything tangible.

I think it has more to with with both sides being greedy and manipulative and trying to scam each other from the start.

[jkirk]

I think it has more to with with both sides being greedy and manipulative and trying to scam each other from the start.

it's possible i just don't see it that way.so far in the documents and statements i see bias and i see misunderstandings but i have not seen blatent malice. maybe by the end of the case this will become clear but i refuse to jump to that conclusion. i prefer innocent until proven guilty whenever possible.

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:

I think it has more to with with both sides being greedy and manipulative and trying to scam each other from the start.

it's possible i just don't see it that way.so far in the documents and statements i see bias and i see misunderstandings but i have not seen blatent malice. maybe by the end of the case this will become clear but i refuse to jump to that conclusion. i prefer innocent until proven guilty whenever possible.

I base my assumption not just on the court documents but on the documented behaviour of Bill McEwen, Barry Moss, and Ben Hermans.

None of whom I would trust as far as I could throw them.

Take a look at the ann.lu archives for some of Mr Hermans classics.

[amigadave]

Flashlab wrote:
I don't care really anymore... At least Hyperion produced something in recent years. Can't say that about A Inc...

And quoted from a page linked to this thread

I did my part. I helped Olaf Barthel with RoadShow and I did other things that I won't mention since I don't want get them "dirty" with the resignation that closes this message. Resignation because I am watching a dream falling down. Not my dream, a greater one. The one of a community of different people, fair and friendly, of people who support and respect members. Once upon a time Amiga was that, now it's not anymore.

The slow march into oblivion for Amiga continues and is hastened by the current actions of the principal companies in control of the Amiga future.  More and more Amiga users are driven to the point of "I just don't care anymore".

Sad, so very sad that it has come to this and continues to drag on in this unproductive direction.

Also sad that the Amiga story became one of what "Could have been" so early in its lifespan.  Long before even the bankruptcy of Commodore almost all of us were lamenting about what could have become of the Amiga and saying "If Only Commodore Had ............"

I will continue to use and enjoy my collection of Amigas for the rest of my life, just for the fun of it.  I too have long ago given up hope for any amazing developments from Amiga Inc. or any other company that is working on an Amiga like operating system with propietary hardware.

Not that it excites me, but with all this trouble for Amiga Inc. and Hyperion, it will probably give the MorphOS and AROS developers a small boost as more Amiga users look for an alternative.

end rant

[Tron2k2]

Hahahahaaa!  YES!  It's MINE ALL MINE!!!

First order of business:  Get OS 4 on the Pegasos, Efika and any/all derivatives

Second: Get Amithlon in every computer store in the USA as a 'boot and run' CD like it used to be.

Third:  Amiga OS powered bicycle computer/training system ;-) I'm a bike nut, what did you expect?

Oh wait, third:  rake in the bucks from Amithlon and OS sales :-D

The point here?  I'd actually GET SOMETHING OUT THERE TO SELL!!  People aren't interested in being able to buy hot dogs from their cel phones at sports events.  it's called a text message to the guy at the counter who then dispatches the runner with the food..  Not something I'd stake my future on, but hey no one ever called me a visionary in that regard :-p

Actually there's a lot I could do in the hobbyist market with Amiga IP, I think they're kind of missing the boat in terms of what they have and what it can do now, with very minimal R and D investment (that has pretty much already been done by Hyperion).

I can always dream, huh?

[jkirk]

I base my assumption not just on the court documents but on the documented behaviour of Bill McEwen, Barry Moss, and Ben Hermans.

online behavior is not always the same as actual behavior. but yes it does throw out strong hints to the character of the person.

None of whom I would trust as far as I could throw them.

there ain't very many people i would trust that much

Take a look at the ann.lu archives for some of Mr Hermans classics.

maybe i will one day but i am trying to avoid preconcieved notions that reading it would create.

you might be right about this. i am just trying to stay as neutral as i can on the issues brought up in court.

[Methuselas]

@ Tron

That's almost what I proposed. In fact, part of my proposal was paying *YOU* back. I probably rocked the boat on that one, but the bike idea is AWESOME.

Oh well. I tried. They lost.

I'm sorry I didn't get you paid back. =/

[dammy]

by jkirk on 2007/6/19 6:20:45

i don't remember any such statement. all i remember was the friedens telling us THEY would not port it without proper documentation.

You maybe right, they may have hinted they wouldn't, but reading some of these gems, it sure looks like they couldn't be bothered since it would be difficult.  Now it's running on a Mac?  Guess it wasn't that tough, for someone.

Dammy

[jkirk]

actually this was brought up on amigaworld. one of the developers kicked in and said that the programming was a pain in the arse.

see here
see av's comments

[jorkany]

A pain in the ass surely, but in the end somebody else out there besides the Fridens got the job done.

From claiming that without docs it couldn't be done, to maybe it could be done but it's difficult and the licensing is an issue, to yes we can help somebody else do it...I wonder if the Friedens now accept that MAI is out of business, two years after the fact?

Baby steps...baby steps... :-P

[vpamicue]

You do not understand US Corporate Law. It has nothing to do with if AI Inc. said or did not say or prove in Washington, it never will. The action is filed in a different court against a different company. The only thing that that the present court can take into consideration is the present litigation facts. Under US law the company AI Inc. Washington does not exists. They may have closed because they where insolvent again under US law this is no problem as long as they stopped operating legally in Washington and start the new company legally.

The fact is the injunction being turned down is not a big deal. I will assume the AI Inc. is just wasting  the litigants legal costs. This is about the source code to OS 4.0 and who owns it in the US only. The rights and privileges of a US company under US law is dictated by settled litigation and those legislations set precedence in the court. You can of course go to a court where it has no priors. But the settled litigations will come into effect.

In most instances in Corporate law there is no guilt or innocence only intent and effect.

I would also like to point out that US laws covering Copyright and Patents is different than every country in the world except Japan (a result of US occupation after WW2. Even if AI Inc. where to go bankrupt and be a non existent entity they would still retain there rights unless allocated by the courts at dissolution.