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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2007, 03:38:49 AM »
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The contract grants Hyperion and Eyetech an “exclusive, perpetual, world-wide and royalty free
right and license” to OS4 and the Amig OS trademark in the event of Amiga, Inc. Washington's insolvency.


Problem is, that will not stand in the US Courts.  You can not sheild that type of IP from creditors.  So either it still apart of AI-WA (and the ball will be thrown back into the WA State venue and out of US Court's venue) or it's now AI-DE. Either way, Hyperion has no hope in getting the IP, legally or financially (Pennti would drain Hyperion in the courts with years worth of appeals and such).

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Except it's not shielded from creditors. The insolvency clause of the contract doesn't grant ownership of the IP to Hyperion and Eyetech just a license to it. And this of course assumes that the buyback clause was actually properly executed in the first place (the judgement notes contradicting claims in this area) in which case Amiga Inc, may not have even owned the OS at the time of it's "insolvency"

Furthermore, even if Amiga Washington is in possession of the relevant IP, someone (presumably a creditor) is going to have to start another lawsuit to get its assets auctioned off properly.

That said, I don't have a whole lot of interest in who wins this case. I've long since lost interest in using Amiga OS or any of its derivatives (though a proper classic amiga port of AROS might pique my interest). In some ways, I kind of hope the case continues as all kinds of interesting drama is popping out of the woodwork as a result.
 

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2007, 04:15:25 AM »
They overlooked the obvious- they should have been AI Bahamas.... Gould/Ali got at least that much right.



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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2007, 04:42:49 AM »
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Would the ownership fall back to Gateway?


Ya know I was just thinking....
If the transfer of Amiga Inc W. was not valid, and you have to go back to decide the fate of Amiga Inc W. assests including the IP, wouldn't the assests fall to the one person with a legitimate monetary court judgement in their favor making them the major creditor of Amiga Inc W. .... Bolten Peck?????

You've just entered.... the twilight zone.

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2007, 07:02:06 AM »
As far as I can tell Hyperion does NOT own the Amiga brand... however they own a license and therefore right to use the brand name on what now also seems to become their own OS. I doubt very much that this license will allow for an Amiga branded computer from Hyperion/Acube but it'll most likely be running AmigaOS4.x.

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2007, 08:22:56 AM »
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If Hyperion gets full control over the Amiga name and AmigaOS from this court case, I think thats the best outcome.

Why is one bunch of liars better than two?

It doesn't matter any more. The Amiga lost its soul to dishonesty years ago and there is no way back.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2007, 08:46:13 AM »
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If Hyperion gets full control over the Amiga name and AmigaOS from this court case, I think thats the best outcome.

Why is one bunch of liars better than two?

It doesn't matter any more. The Amiga lost its soul to dishonesty years ago and there is no way back.

Liars or not, I'd love to see OS4 available again, and that it will continue to be developed.

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2007, 12:03:53 PM »
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Why is one bunch of liars better than two?

It doesn't matter any more. The Amiga lost its soul to dishonesty years ago and there is no way back.


Can someone clear this up for me a bit? I understand the anger directed at AI due to all the promises and lies. What's new to me is that people don't like Hyperion, what did they do that annoyed people? I missed all of that.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2007, 12:27:23 PM »
How about the lies about how impossible it would be to port OS4 to Macs?   Hyperion does have creditibility issues all their own.

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2007, 12:36:32 PM »
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Why is one bunch of liars better than two?

It doesn't matter any more. The Amiga lost its soul to dishonesty years ago and there is no way back.


Can someone clear this up for me a bit? I understand the anger directed at AI due to all the promises and lies. What's new to me is that people don't like Hyperion, what did they do that annoyed people? I missed all of that.

Just things that came up in the court docs.. First it looks like it was hyperion that held OS4 hostage. Second they claimed that Aros and MorphOS was illegal and it even came up in the docs that hyperion was urging Amiga inc to start a trial against genesi and so on..
Basically it looks all like they played a game by dragging it all out in hopes that amiga inc died and them getting the ownership, which we all know did not go completely after their plans.
 

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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2007, 01:04:17 PM »
No,no. Amiga is well funded - ask billyboy. I mean how else can you commit 2.5 mil for the naming rights to a stadium if you don't have any money?... And their IP is worth millions.

As far as old judgments - that's the OLD Amiga, the NEW Amiga is ready and on schedule and rockin'.

Can you imagine ordering a hot dog from your seat with a cell phone? WOW! No wonder Kent officials were so impressed.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2007, 01:09:17 PM »
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Can someone clear this up for me a bit? I understand the anger directed at AI due to all the promises and lies. What's new to me is that people don't like Hyperion, what did they do that annoyed people? I missed all of that.

Long history - you'd have had to be there to understand. Let's just say some of us could see all this coming all along and said as much. Does it not strike anyone as surprising that Amiga Inc's legal consultant at the time these deals were struck was no other than Hyperion's MD? Or that when AmigaOS4 beta (or pre-release, as Hyperion insisted on calling it) is now considered the actual release of AmigaOS4, which is exactly what people suspected would happen at the time despite Hyperion ridiculing the idea. In short, anyone willing to see the truth could see what was happening and knew that both companies were not dealing in good faith. Hyperion have been just as dishonest as Amiga Inc all along.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2007, 01:45:04 PM »
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Can someone clear this up for me a bit? I understand the anger directed at AI due to all the promises and lies. What's new to me is that people don't like Hyperion, what did they do that annoyed people? I missed all of that.


HERE is a blast from the past.

Of course, THIS website brings much reading entertainment.

As someone else said, you had to be there. There is just way too much history here to put in a single forum post. For many years Hyperion was given a get out of jail free card by a large section of the kommunity, because they were developing teh true Amiga(tm). Many think they abused this privilege and launched campaigns of misinformation against projects, companies and individuals. Additionally it now appears most of what their detractors have said over the years have been 100% accurate. Court documents certainly clear up a lot.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2007, 01:59:23 PM »
why is this bad, hyperion is the ONLY company to produce anything
Amiga related in regards to OS4 yet!!!  Imagine how nice the picture would be if you turn Hyperion in to Amiga and well thats it, the guys who wrote the code own the code and now they can market it!!!!! That sounds good to me.
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2007, 02:05:56 PM »
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2007, 02:12:56 PM »
I'm normally pessimistic but I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way this time.

This is actually the best that could've happened.
Hyperion get's AmigaOS trademark (hey AInc signed up a contract that they didn't comply with, they can't be playing the innocent here) and get's Amiga brand recognition (by using AmigaOS wich is practically the same).
Genesi get's Amiga license and MOS starts being sold with Efika Amigas;)

So in the end Amiga brand recognition to everyone involved (MOS, Genesi, AInc, Hyperion) and AmigaOS is finally being developed as it should be (not that DE/OS5 crap anymore).

It's all good ;-)
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Re: Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?
« Reply #29 from previous page: June 15, 2007, 02:18:06 PM »
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why is this bad, hyperion is the ONLY company to produce anything
Amiga related in regards to OS4 yet!!!  Imagine how nice the picture would be if you turn Hyperion in to Amiga and well thats it, the guys who wrote the code own the code and now they can market it!!!!! That sounds good to me.


I think you'll find the MorphOS and AROS teams did more for us and first.  Hyperion (The owners, not the coders) are scheming rats who have been out to steal the PPC Amiga market from firstly MOS-Team and secondly the entire IP from Amiga Inc from the very beginning.
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