Hyperion trying to lay claim to the Amiga name?

[CannonFodder]

yetihw wrote:
why is this bad, hyperion is the ONLY company to produce anything
Amiga related in regards to OS4 yet!!!  Imagine how nice the picture would be if you turn Hyperion in to Amiga and well thats it, the guys who wrote the code own the code and now they can market it!!!!! That sounds good to me.

I think you'll find the MorphOS and AROS teams did more for us and first.  Hyperion (The owners, not the coders) are scheming rats who have been out to steal the PPC Amiga market from firstly MOS-Team and secondly the entire IP from Amiga Inc from the very beginning.

[jorkany]

deddly,
[/quote]Can someone clear this up for me a bit? I understand the anger directed at AI due to all the promises and lies. What's new to me is that people don't like Hyperion, what did they do that annoyed people? I missed all of that.[/quote]
I was not very active with anything Amiga for many years, until about three, maybe four, years ago when I decided to check around and see what was new. I found out about AmigaOne and OS4, and started looking into it. It didn't take long until I discovered the AmigaOne was junk, so I started asking the same questions that pretty much *everybody* asks when they first discover OS4 was developed for PPC - why can't I run it on my Mac? It didn't take long for the Hyperion "gang" to start treating me like I was some kind of idiot for even asking that question, and other pretty obvious questions that always seem to come up.

So, here I am, an experienced developer who thoroughly enjoyed the Amiga back in the day - now I have zero positive interest in OS4. What a great company! And the OS4 community is so full of rational, endearing people, lol! It seems Hyperion couldn't beat off newcomers fast enough with their sh!tty attitude.

Aside from my personal experiences though, take this as just one example:

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D


Then there was all the BS where Hyperion claimed the embedded market was wide open, just waiting for OS4 to swoop down and take over, even now we are in talks with a large unnamed embedded customer, blah blah blah - all turned out to be total BS. Then there is the classic, "Three months to change some flags and recompile". Hyperion is full of crap, basically. That tends to turn a lot of people off.

OS4 is just a waste of time and effort. It never amounted to anything, it hasn't drawn the community together - if anything people put their hopes in OS4 and Hyperion pissed them away over the years.

[c64_d0c]

We'll watch now to see if Amiga inc the company that can't get a grip on its own IP can actually be so idiotic that it can give it to someone else.  :lol:
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Hayley

[Kronos]

@guru-666

In an official bancruptsy their are a few things done:

Contracts not bringing in money will be voided.

Contracts containing things unfair to the creditors (like "in the case of being insolvent....") will be voided.

All assets will be used to generate the maximum compensation for the creditors, everthing else is unimportant.

[yetihw]

I should have elaborated more when I was typing my post I knew someone would mention those two as well I was trying to keep my response focused on the Actual AMIGA product, as opposed to clones.

[deddly]

Thanks for clearning up the whole Hyperion thing. I still think they would be better owners than AI... I prefer the idea of us lot (the community) buying them out, but that's unlikely to happen.

Sorry to help throw the thread OT

[Dandy]

c64_d0c wrote:

No,no. Amiga is well funded - ask billyboy.
...

Hmmmmmmm - here in Germany "Billyboy" is the trade name for condoms of a certain manufacturer...
 :-D

[pixie]

@Dammy:
If one part of the contract is considered null and void, wouldn't it happen to all contract, meaning that Amiga Inc wouldn't have any access to Hyperion work?

[pixie]

@Kronos,
In this case it's not as if they own any of AmigaOS 4 code, and as for the trademarks... they've licensed them as Gateway did to them, so how can they touch something they do not own?

[Methuselas]

Jose wrote:
I'm normally pessimistic but I think you guys are looking at this the wrong way this time.

This is actually the best that could've happened.
Hyperion get's AmigaOS trademark (hey AInc signed up a contract that they didn't comply with, they can't be playing the innocent here) and get's Amiga brand recognition (by using AmigaOS wich is practically the same).
Genesi get's Amiga license and MOS starts being sold with Efika Amigas;)

So in the end Amiga brand recognition to everyone involved (MOS, Genesi, AInc, Hyperion) and AmigaOS is finally being developed as it should be (not that DE/OS5 crap anymore).

It's all good ;-)

That is *TOTAL* BS! I gave both parties a resolution and they sh!t on it. They preferred to squander their pitiful market away, in years of litigation. If you people were smart, you'd be happy with what you have and let the Amiga die with dignity. Without those few, pathetic people still clinging on to one side or the other, neither has *ANY* chance of making a profitable market from us. They squandered away any hopes of not making the Amiga name a laughingstock.

Just so people know, I emailed Big Mac at Amiga, Inc. after I got fed up. I started to organize a class-action suit against Amiga, Inc. for fraud and theft, over the coupon fiascos, but told him that I would work out a proposal that would help unify the entire community, behind a common goal of of re-vitalizing the Amiga, putting my civil suit against them, on hold, if they'd hear me out.

After finishing my proposal, I sent it off and only one company had the decency to respond to it and that was Hyperion, who gave me a polite 'no', claiming they have "tricks up their sleeves". I attempted to act as a mediator between all parties (something a judge will force them to do, after they've blown a ridiculous amount of money, suing each other), but they slapped me across the face. Only days after I sent my proposal, I find it ironic that Amiga, Inc. sent out emails to us "coupon holders", telling us that we would be reimbursed for our losses, blah blah. I can't go into more specifics about the conversations, 'cos unlike these "companies", I will respect a party asking my Non-disclosure, but if anyone wants to see what *I* was trying to do, I'll be more than happy to email my, as they put it, "gentleman's proposal", to them, for public consumption. I'm not an attorney, but I was a person who got sick of their bullsh!t and tried to do something about it.

They don't care about you. They only care about their own goals and roadmaps, which never concerned us, unless they could use us to get money, as cheaply as possible. *THAT* is why we got crappy motherboards. *THAT* is why there was no X86 Amiga (Remember Amithlon?). *THAT* is why it took *YEARS* to get "OS4".

You want to support something Amiga, support AROS.

Hell, support MorphOS. At least Genesi provided decent hardware.

[EDIT]

I should point out that Genesi is *EQUALLY* as guilty as both Amiga, Inc. and Hyperion over shady deals, but the PegasOS was a top-notch board, unlike that POS Teron Board.

Just support AROS. At least those guys (and girls - No chauvenists we!) care about what they're doing. They're not doing it, for money.

Greed is what rules the Amiga. It's always been that way.

Commodore.

Amiga, Inc. - Washington

Amiga, Inc. - Delaware (who still owe people money, but that's the "old" company).

Genesi (who still owe people money)

Hyperion (who claim to still owe people money)

ACK

Anti-Gravity (who owe me and several others for pre-paid "Boxers")

Haage & Partner

Merlancia

Jeez, do I *REALLY* need to keep going???


Just be happy with what you have. The best thing we could do is not support *ANY* of these pathetic excuses for companies. Why give them money, when all they try to do is rip us off?

They *HAD* an out - They blew it.  :roll:

[dammy]

If one part of the contract is considered null and void, wouldn't it happen to all contract, meaning that Amiga Inc wouldn't have any access to Hyperion work?

As long as it was not based on AI's IP, Hyperion should keep the code but the buyback option was not completed.  That's the qustion right now, why did Hyperion give AI a reciept for the transaction?  That's for the jury to decide.

Dammy

[dammy]

Just support AROS. At least those guys (and girls - No chauvenists we!) care about what they're doing. They're not doing it, for money.

Actually, some of us ARE spending our money on AROS.  The Amiga Community gets the end product for free.  Folks want PPC, AROS is being ported to EFIKA and a bounty was just up (with a Dev mobo) for porting it to SAM440.  X86_64 native is also underway.  Who else is offering your favorate hardware with a friendly open source OS?

Dammy

[Methuselas]

@ Dammy,

My point was simply that you offer "bounties" for ports. If you don't complete the port, you don't get the money. AROS Coders, to my knowledge, haven't "taken anyone's money and ran" so to speak. The same can't be said for many of the Amiga "companies" over the years, not to mention some of the community members, looking to make a quick buck.

I have no interest in the Amiga Platform anymore. It's become a joke. Until I could get an Amiga with a current browser, OpenOffice, OpenGL support and a slew of other things I cant think of, right now, I doubt I'd change my mind.

AROS, at least, doesn't make any BS promises. They don't make "announcements", until they have something to announce.

Amiga, Inc. (as well as all the others) could learn a thing or two, from you.

The minute AROS starts offering coupons, I'm out of there, too.  ;-)

[jkirk]

dammy wrote:
How about the lies about how impossible it would be to port OS4 to Macs?   Hyperion does have creditibility issues all their own.

Dammy

?

i don't remember any such statement. all i remember was the friedens telling us THEY would not port it without proper documentation.

[jkirk]

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D

A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

[CannonFodder]

jkirk wrote:

Which of the following has Hyperion claimed about the lineage of OS4?
A) "It is based on the original AOS sources, and so it is the true Amiga!"

B) "The original AOS sources were not very useful, so we rewrite the whole thing."

C) "We never gained access to the original AOS sources."

D) All of the above.

Correct answer: D

A this was stated by hyperion management IIRC. and since when does management have a complete picture of anything.

B this was stated by the programmers (one of the friedens iirc)

C how does this statement affect the other two? they aquired the sources themselves so this does not affect the other statements.

A was stated by both of the genetic clones on more than one occasion.