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Offline uncharted

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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #29 from previous page: May 30, 2007, 09:35:00 PM »
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How about applications like AmigaAmp? AmigaWriter? Whatever AmigaSomething apps are out there...


Using someone else's trademark as part of your application name is not the smartest to do at the best of times, but for AROS is was particularly stupid.
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #30 on: May 30, 2007, 09:47:49 PM »
Amiga Research Operating System

An Operating System which is based on researches made on a given OS, namely the Amiga Operating System. You can back reference, why not put it in a name?
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #31 on: May 30, 2007, 10:52:05 PM »
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Using someone else's trademark as part of your application name is not the smartest to do at the best of times, but for AROS is was particularly stupid.


I dont think it was stupid because AROS was ever supposed to be "serious" project. It started as a research project.

Funnily Amiga decided to sue Hyperion for trademark infringement... :-P
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #32 on: May 30, 2007, 11:05:48 PM »
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Funnily Amiga decided to sue Hyperion for trademark infringement... :-P


Even funnier, Hyperion +Amiga Inc (under Garry Hare) went 50/50 on lawyers fees to determine if MorphOS or AROS were illegal. :roll:
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #33 on: May 30, 2007, 11:29:08 PM »
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How about applications like AmigaAmp? AmigaWriter? Whatever AmigaSomething apps are out there...


They quite possibly are on dodgy ground too, but they are slightly different in that they themselves are not in competition with any of Amigas products.

AROS is an operating system, but it is not an officially endorsed Amiga operating system, and i'm pretty sure if you owned the trademark "Amiga" and the Amiga Operating System rights, you could have the same rights to sue the makers of AROS the same way Microsoft sued over Lindows.

AROS have now removed Amiga from their name, which was a sensible move in the light of a seemingly well funded and litigeous Amiga, Inc.

If this wasn't the case, why isn't ReactOS called "Microsoft Windows Research NT" ? ;-)
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #34 on: May 30, 2007, 11:41:37 PM »
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If this wasn't the case, why isn't ReactOS called "Microsoft Windows Research NT" ? ;-)


Maybe cos saying 'MWRNT' sounds like you're talking whilst eating  ;-)
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #35 on: May 31, 2007, 12:02:38 AM »
I doubt they're in danger, WinUAE, WinAmp, WinAce, WinZip. Are they in danger? Nope. They denote the platform they're targeted at nothing more.

You cannot stop someone from writing a compatible product which is what AROS aims to achieve. It doesn't beg, borrow or steal anything from any of the Amiga OS versions it reimplements them from scratch.

AROS is safe and this is just the same FUD that MS likes to spread from their s***e cannon about Linux. Get people riled up and scare them off the project in question is the tactic and it's vomit worthy.

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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2007, 01:02:23 AM »
He was probably pissed because his vendor defected. :-)
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #37 on: May 31, 2007, 01:35:44 AM »
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(...)the same way Microsoft sued over Lindows.

I just have two words for you:
Wrong! :-P
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #38 on: May 31, 2007, 07:31:49 AM »
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I dont think it was stupid because AROS was ever supposed to be "serious" project. It started as a research project.


So is that why it originally stood for Amiga Replacement Operating System?

http://web.archive.org/web/19980716222227/aros.fh-konstanz.de/aros/
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #39 on: May 31, 2007, 03:40:19 PM »
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I doubt they're in danger, WinUAE, WinAmp, WinAce, WinZip. Are they in danger? Nope. They denote the platform they're targeted at nothing more.


Thats fine. I'm not arguing that point, but if someone made a product called "Microsoft Research Windows", they wouldn't get away with it, which is the *same* *thing* as AROS was until they changed their name, it was "Amiga Operating System" (ie AmigaOS), with Research shoved in the middle.

That is a legally questionable name.


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You cannot stop someone from writing a compatible product which is what AROS aims to achieve.


I'm not questioning the legality of creating a compatible product. I never did. I'm just pointing out one possible reason why Everts statement, at the time, might not have been so bad.

Its a different matter now that the A in AROS stands for AROS ;-)
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #40 on: May 31, 2007, 04:06:15 PM »
Surely the A in AROS stood for Amiga because it ran on Amiga hardware not because it is Amiga OS?

Amix==Amiga Unix is one similar example off the top of my head.

Would Windows Research OS or Windows Replacement OS be killed by MS?

Anyway, as Xeron has said the A stands for AROS now. ;-)
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #41 on: May 31, 2007, 04:08:30 PM »
Wasn't Amiga UNIX published by Commodore?
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #42 on: May 31, 2007, 04:41:17 PM »
So when are this and this going to feel the wrath of Amiga Stinks lawyers?

And this too.

They all use the trademark "Amiga" in their name and they are all Operating Systems that run on Amiga hardware like AROS.
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #43 on: May 31, 2007, 04:44:03 PM »
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I doubt they're in danger, WinUAE, WinAmp, WinAce, WinZip. Are they in danger? Nope. They denote the platform they're targeted at nothing more.

Simmilary we have AmiSomething programs too. But note that Windows Commander was sued by Microsoft, it's called Total Commander now.
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Re: In court docs: Hyperion states AROS "probably illegal"
« Reply #44 on: May 31, 2007, 04:53:32 PM »
Nice try. They're the Amiga ports of NetBSD and OpenBSD. Thats still not quite the same as "Amiga Research Operating System". If that was valid, then anyone could call their operating system "AmigaOS".

If you're so sure that its fine, prove it by releasing a fork of ReactOS called "Microsoft Research Windows" and see how long you last.

Or, why not try and sell PCs as "Sony Research Playstation 3"?

Or maybe buy a truck load of unbranded TV sets from the far east and sell them as "Sony Research Bravias"?
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