Here's the first specs for the new Amiga from Amiga Inc.

[humppa]

@ravnen

In my mind, if a new Amiga branded computer gets avaiable for a low price, people in my generation that used to have an amiga and only have good memories about it, will get one just to see what the fuzz is about.

...and will be extremely disappointed to find out that it "doesn't run all the good old games". Even E-UAE will be much too slow on it.

But then again, I doubt it will ever be released together with os4...

And even _if_ it will be released with OS4, but kind of future is there for AmigaOS?

[ravnen]

@humppa

Good point.

[Argus]

First of all, about the gross underspecification:

Most amiga folks are going to want to at least play the latest games from two years ago...a la Quake4, etc., these require at least 1GHz and 128MB graphics memory to run.  Laugh if you will but this is an old games spec and nobody is going to want to buy a machine that can't play 3D games of 2+ years ago.

Second, we have waited a long time and to think these amateurs at 'Inc' (won't even give them the dignity of calling them A**** anymore) think they can foist yet another fraud upon these community is laughable.  I feel truly sorry for Adam; he's doing the best he can I'm sure with little/no support from 'Inc' (and what support there is is pure vapour).  Adam: run as fast as you can before you too have to spend money defending yourself from these lawsuit happy fools.

Lastly, as for Hyperion, the amateurishness of the lawsuit against them is going to be dismissed if they even care at this point to file an answer.  The failure to substantiate claims, lack of evidence, and gross misrepresentations in their 'depositions' is going to see the light of day.  'Inc' has demonstrated gross incompetence in EVERYTHING they've ever done.  You'd think someone who has had their arses kicked from sunrise to sunset every day of their lives would just do the decent thing and go away.  Does anyone think there is not an ARMY of hostile witnesses who would gladly testify on Hyperions' behalf against these frauds at 'Inc'?  The whole thing is bloody rotten; if Moss and McEvil had any decency they'd jump back into the shat from where they arose.

[xc8Bronx]

I think that there is one solution to these #$%^&**(*&&!!!!!

BOYCOTT!!!!!!

This will make them go into bankruptcy !! :madashell:  :madashell:

[HammerD]

Minuous wrote:
400MHz is an insult, there are mobile phones these days that are clocked faster.

I certainly won't be wasting my money on this crap.

An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine.  This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.

If you want more power then you should be looking to next week to the HIGH END MACHINE. Geez.

[bloodline]

uncharted wrote:
Just out of pure curiosity, if I was to buy a complete PC (excluding monitor) for the same price how fast would the emulated Amiga  in UAE be in comparison to this system?

UAE would be MUCH faster.

Just thinking aloud here, but if the speeds of native code on the ACK board and emulated code on a low cost PC are comparable then wouldn't people be better off with the PC as they'd get full Amiga compatibility?  IIRC Amithlon was doing 400MHz speeds in 2001, surely UAE would be able to do the same 6 years later?

WinUAE would be MUCH faster and MUCH mroe compatible.

I haven't been in the market for a PC since 2000 or so and i haven't used UAE in rather a long time so I really am totally clueless about all of this.

You are perfectly correct... the cheapest, complete system from from Dell, would cost £320.. ~$600... that comes with a 17" LCD Monitor, 1 gig of RAM... 3Ghz CPU.. 160Gig Hard drive... DVD+/-RW... 13 in 1 Card reader... This system would run WinUAE to perfection...

Why would you bother to spend nearly that much on a motherboard alone... which is out of date, slow and barely compatible with you amiga software... just to run a simple, basic Operating System (with no bundled productivity apps... a la iLife etc...) that has name from your past?

Why?

WHY?

[HammerD]

xc8Bronx wrote:
I think that there is one solution to these #$%^&**(*&&!!!!!

BOYCOTT!!!!!!

This will make them go into bankruptcy !! :madashell:  :madashell:

No it won't, it will just ensure we get NO future Amiga.  Look, the problems between Hyperion and Amiga Inc. are just that.  BETWEEN THEM.  All the users want is available hardware to run OS4.  It looks like Amiga Inc. is flexing their rights and going ahead and satisfying what people have wanted for years: new amiga hardware.

Let the companies battle it out in the legal space.  Really there is nothing we can do about it.

[hooligan]

HammerD wrote:

An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine.  This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.

Exactly! Not everyone can afford to put $500 into a mobo  which doesnt let you do most of the stuff needed daily, and requires components which cant be even bought at your local store anymore. But all this is irrelevant as we all know the era stopped here and it wont be continuing.

[DrBombcrater]

Point is that you don't NEED a super fast CPU to run AmigaOS

This argument keeps getting rolled out to defend slow hardware, and it's very true - a 400MHz processor with no L2 cache and a 64-bit bus is fine for running OS4.

But, you know, most people like to do something other than boot the OS and stare at a pretty desktop. And many applications most certainly do need more power than that. Much more.

Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask? Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned using a TV card. Is a 400MHz CPU enough to decode the output from a DVB-T or DVB-S card? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet my bank account on it.

What about emulators like UAE? Or tasks like OCR scanning?

Using not just a 400MHz processor, but a crippled 400MHz processor relegates this thing to the status of a very basic dev box. The 'quirky' specs don't help - 2 gigabit ethernet ports, but no IDE and only 1 memory slot?

[HammerD]

hooligan wrote:

HammerD wrote:

An insult to who? Not everyone can afford a $1000+ USD machine.  This is the LOW END MACHINE...that will have low power requirements, probably can run totally fanless, etc.

Exactly! Not everyone can afford to put $500 into a mobo  which doesnt let you do most of the stuff needed daily, and requires components which cant be even bought at your local store anymore. But all this is irrelevant as we all know the era stopped here and it wont be continuing.

You are speculating here as no one has actually seen this hardware running, so you don't know what it can or cannot do based on specs alone.  But AmigaOS4 - being a small and efficient OS, SHOULD run most tasks quite nicely.

If you aren't happy with the performance then buy the high end machine.  I don't see the problem here.

[HammerD]

DrBombcrater wrote:

Point is that you don't NEED a super fast CPU to run AmigaOS

This argument keeps getting rolled out to defend slow hardware, and it's very true - a 400MHz processor with no L2 cache and a 64-bit bus is fine for running OS4.

But, you know, most people like to do something other than boot the OS and stare at a pretty desktop. And many applications most certainly do need more power than that. Much more.

Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask? Somebody earlier in this thread mentioned using a TV card. Is a 400MHz CPU enough to decode the output from a DVB-T or DVB-S card? I don't know, but I wouldn't bet my bank account on it.

What about emulators like UAE? Or tasks like OCR scanning?

Using not just a 400MHz processor, but a crippled 400MHz processor relegates this thing to the status of a very basic dev box. The 'quirky' specs don't help - 2 gigabit ethernet ports, but no IDE and only 1 memory slot?

And I say again your point is? If you need more power buy the high-end machine.

[DrBombcrater]

And I say again your point is? If you need more power buy the high-end machine.

The 'high-end' system, whatever its specs, is going to be irrelevant. The number of people prepared to pay that kind of money for an OS4 box, given OS4's present lack of apps and uncertain deveopment fate is tiny.

A cheap system that had a reasonable degree of power is the only thing that will succeed now, because enough people may be willing to take a risk if the price isn't too bad.

But if playing DVDs or running UAE on OS4 requires £1000 hardware then all this hot air about OS4 being so frugal and efficient starts to look incredibly stupid, and sales are going to be miserable.

[lopanas]

Will it have enough power to play DVDs? If so, will it take 100% CPU time and leave the system unable to multitask?

Playing DVDs shouldn't be a very processor hoggingtask if the  player isn't to clogged with bells and whistles, since my Compaq Presario with 233 MHz PII and 64 Mb SDRAM is enough playing MPEG2 compressed DVDs with no lag.(And you get more Power per MHz on a PowerPC than an Intel).

[hooligan]

@HammerD

Dr.Bombcrater explained pretty nicely in two posts how I feel, I agree 100% to what he said.

I know OS4 is light, and runs happily even on a 200mhz cpu.. but thats not the point. You want to also use some software.

And the "high-end" machine will most probably be just as underspecced as this compared to .. well.. any mobo today. My guess is that my trusty half-decade old 1.8ghz mobo+cpu will beat the {bleep} out of this "high-end" product of theirs ;-)

But you are right, I do not know what they will present, so lets wait. I will gladly change my opinion if it comes to that.

[kd7ota]

I will get on things and tell all my friends to buy this new Amiga board to play World of Warcraft on.....

 :lol:

Not....

[jutrem]

This is the low end model (The specs prove that). Wait for the next one, don't waste peoples time complaining about this model.