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Offline Tomas

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2007, 06:30:36 PM »
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Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want people confusing Amiga OS as we knew it with the new Digital Environment that Fleecy envisioned, so we didn't use it.

I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2007, 06:34:01 PM »
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I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.

It wouldn't be a surprise to find that is part of the reason. At the same time I have to wonder why Hyperion was so anxious to use the Amiga name in their OS in the first place, and why they apparently insist on keeping it now.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #16 on: April 18, 2007, 06:41:13 PM »
bunch of die-hards and crackpots
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2007, 07:28:15 PM »
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jorkany wrote:
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I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.

It wouldn't be a surprise to find that is part of the reason. At the same time I have to wonder why Hyperion was so anxious to use the Amiga name in their OS in the first place, and why they apparently insist on keeping it now.


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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #18 on: April 18, 2007, 07:40:00 PM »
While I've never looked into Amiga's acquisition of Ruksun/Amiga Dev India, I've got a feeling that this might explain some things.  From a brief look at their site, Ruksun appear to be a decently sized company, with a fair few products (two of which are hosted on AA) and probably international ambitions.  Amiga inc have the name and the AmigaDE technology that Ruksun appears to have made some use out of, but no real products or infrastructure to speak of.  If I were Ruksun, I'd have wanted to buy up A inc cheaply - the Amiga name would give them a bit of help expanding abroad, and they'd gain full control over the AmigaDE if they wanted to base any further products on that platform.

Now, while the reverse appears to have happened (A inc acquiring Ruksun), I'm well aware that lawyers are perfectly capable of obfuscating any transaction of this nature.  The alternative is that Amiga's investors were interested in getting hold of Ruksun and chose to do so through A inc.  Whatever - the end result would be pretty similar; Amiga's direction being steered very much by Ruksun/ADI, and A inc themselves acting as little more than a legal entity and a shopfront.

The Kent Events Centre sponsorship makes more sense then as well - ADI/Ruksun probably have the money for that, and that'll make them seem all-American to US customers who may otherwise not feel quite as comfortable dealing with an Indian firm.  The Amiga name itself would probably help them in Europe, as well.

If something like this is the case, you have to wonder what it spells for AmigaOS and related developments.  Ruksun/ADI appear to have lots of synergies in terms of hand-held devices, but if they are in control now, how would they feel about AOS?  We'd just have to hope they didn't simply view it as diluting what they want the "Amiga" brand to be...

All speculation of course, and apologies if someone's mentioned this months before (I haven't really been following Amiga so much lately)

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #19 on: April 18, 2007, 08:02:34 PM »
That's very interesting 'alx'.  I didn't know about the Ruksun acquistion.  A quick search found this site:

http://www.ruksun.com/html/aboutruksun.htm

...which looks startlingly similar to the 'new' Amiga, Inc. (www.amiga.com) site put up yesterday (especially the tabs near the top).  So who is controlling who?

Whoah...I just found this:

http://amigadevindia.com/

"Ruksun is now Amiga Development India"

I must have really been out of the loop...
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2007, 06:44:22 PM »
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2007, 06:48:48 PM »
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a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...

I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2007, 07:37:45 PM »
@a-pex

Are you talking about the kickstart 3.9 thing? AFAIK you only patched a kickstart rom, relabeled the version number to "3.9"  (for fun) and made a video out of it, right?

I read somewhere that you were immediately contacted by Amiga Inc lawyers for doing that. Of course they didn't have any legal basis for their claims that you were harming their intellectual property.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2007, 07:43:19 PM »
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Tomas wrote:
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a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...

I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?


There's a thread about it on Amigaworld.

And then there's McEwens answer to question #8 in his 20 questions last year.. ooh, what a suprise that his answer is somewhat different from the truth !
On schedule, and suing
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2007, 08:40:24 PM »
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Of course they didn't have any legal basis for their claims that you were harming their intellectual property.


That was the point, they just want to blame me offering kickstart files, but that WAS NEVER THE CASE!

They thought they can gain some money (for the Kent Center?), but this was not the case. The evidence a video file? And now? Are videos from amigas not allowed anymore?

By the way, its still working fine... :-D

PS: In the post from Bolton Peck you can read what people like BillMcEwen are thinking about the amiga community. They want to be a company like ATARI (good old name for a new product), but there is still an annoying community with thousands of freaks... In every edge of the internet you can find bad storys, interviews, empty promises, pictures from the headquarter (a mailbox), videos and more about ainc. Do you really think a professional company with access to the internet will ever make big business with them? ;) Thats why they still have only some really bad and expensive games.
Do you really think this company can compare with companys like symbian (www.symbian.com - This is a professionell looking homepage!).

 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2007, 02:43:51 AM »
@Tron2k2

Thanks for filling in some of the history behind AI for that time period. You wished them well, but at this point I think I'd wish your lawyer much more luck than them.

Your story sadly confirms feelings I've only supected about Amiga Inc until now.

[rant]
And to think of that pack of bone heads calling us crackpots. Do we have any crackpots here that have blown millions of dollars, wasted a portfolio full of copyrights and patents, upset thousands of users, dozens of developers and failed to pay any monies that they owed to Bolton???

I think we know where and who the crackpots are. And they need to hand over the OS to Hyperion or to open source and slowly back away.
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2007, 02:55:36 AM »
You know it really is sad how A Inc has been.  I for one am sorry to say that i will never give them another penny of my money.  It sad that they used the community for personal gain and have hurt a lot of people. I'm disgusted with Amiga Inc and hope that i never have to deal with them again.  Heck i'd rather give my money to Microsoft and thats a sad day that i can say that and mean it.  I still love my Amiga's and still buy stuff for it, but never from A-Inc again.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2007, 03:27:02 AM »
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Doobrey wrote:
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Tomas wrote:
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a-pex wrote:
I hate Amiga Inc, they {bleep}ed me up with laywers and police and stole me many of my rare spare time...

I dont think i know about that story.
Can you share it with us?


There's a thread about it on Amigaworld.

And then there's McEwens answer to question #8 in his 20 questions last year.. ooh, what a suprise that his answer is somewhat different from the truth !




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...I would suggest that you get in contact with us, before our legal team gets in contact with you.


"Violating IP" because someone supposedly patched roms in an A1000...  now that's choice use of a legal team, LOL...

:roflmao:

 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2007, 09:45:30 AM »
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"Violating IP" because someone supposedly patched roms in an A1000...  now that's choice use of a legal team, LOL...
:roflmao:


But this is the true face of AInc. (Apes Inc.) ;)

- pissing on customers
- ripping of investors
- moving never earnd money in strange ways
- blocking native amiga business
- making empty promises
- blaming users that still have fun with 20 years old hardware (in this case A1000)

If JAY MINER or another Ex Amiga Founder could see what this bad company is making with their inventions...

I really like the Amiga, I am Amiga User since 1987 and I have many of them and still use AmigaOS!!! But this company named AInc. is only one of these licence grabbing companys doing nothing as above mentioned!!!
 
The community has to do their own business, informing customers and investors from amiga inc., so that they will never get in business again... and may hyperion has the chance to take the name...
...and I see the chance that we can win, because we need no money to survive. ;)

 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #29 from previous page: April 20, 2007, 10:07:17 AM »
How exactly does patching a ROM violate Intellectual Property rights? I did the same thing with my A1200. I patched a 3.1 ROM image with the 3.9 ROM Updates then burned the ROM image to an EPROM. I own both the original 3.1 ROM chips and a full licensed copy of OS3.9. So I'm waiting for a phone call or a letter from their lawyers to tell me exactly which law I have broken. Come AInc I'm waiting!

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