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Amiga inc
« on: April 18, 2007, 03:21:56 AM »
Now I want to try and find out a little more about this company . I tried wikipaedia and it says very little about it

Now its based in the US , has approx 20 people working in it .  They mainly specialise in communications equipment and software for pc's ?

Im curious as to why they have Amiga patents and arent using them ? If they develop software why did hyperion develop OS4 and not Amiga inc ? And most importantly how much is the company worth ? Is it on the stock exchange ?

Now I know most people on this forum dislike Amiga inc fr many reasons , especially broken promises . Could somebody give me a quick run down on all that was promised but not delivered . The main thing which I have seen is the time its taken to release OS4 .

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2007, 03:50:27 AM »
AI does not posess (sp?)  the technical knowledge on how to develop a operating system.  Thats why they hired the Frieden brothers to code OS4.  Nobody knows what the company is worth and you cant buy shares in AI, its not public.

They arent using the patents because they cannot make their own hardware or design it.  Again, lack of expertise.  IMO I think they are milking the Amiga name for all they can.  If you look at their software, its really cheap (in quality).   There isnt a decent game sold by them thats actually worth buying.

I'm not going to waste my time on AI's broken promises...too much to type..
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2007, 03:55:10 AM »
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2007, 05:44:13 AM »
I can answer your questions somewhat.  I'm the (in)famous Bolton Peck, the guy who worked there and didn't get paid for a lot of that time, then after their broken promises, sued them and won.  It was kind of a pyrhic victory, as they have yet to pay me a cent.  I worked there from 2000 to 2002, and was lucky enough to be there for some of the good times, when there was money, before the bad times when there wasn't.

They (well mostly their CTO, Fleecy Moss) had this vision of 'write once, run anywhere' software, they wanted to extend and enhance the API of British software firm Tao's Intent/Elate virtual processor platform.  It was pretty cool in some ways, it ran on a slew of host processors, but to code for it you only had to write for its' native VP or Virtual Processor.  Code written this way could theoretically be run on any environment capable of running Intent.  Intent was the underpinning, Elate was Tao's GUI layer.  The underpinning was very dependent on host hardware and software-it couldn't even access CD drives or removable media until we made it do so.  Their Elate GUI layer was, well, let's say it wouldn't give Amiga Workbench 1.0 a run for its money.  Our coding department worked mightily for years to get it going, but it was just too much of a kludge to be really useful in the real world-the promised sound, 2D and 3D acceleration never saw the light of day.  

There were a few remarkable apps made for it, many by developer ZeoNeo, and I was the tester who was charged with testing these apps, among others.  Initially I had a test lead but he left after a month or two of no money, that was in 2001.  Smart guy..

Anyway, long story short, there was at one time a fair amount of investor interest in it, but then Java got so much better, and Tao's initially good Java offering couldn't keep up because it couldn't do swing.  But Java got everywhere so what was the point of writing for this VP thing which, despite the cool repackage and Amiga boingball, could really only run on WinCE, other Windows flavors, and on Linux if you were lucky.  Investor interest dried up, and a slew of bad management decisions caught up to Amiga.

They had a sort of love-hate relationship with the 'Classic' community, who they often saw as a bunch of die-hards and crackpots.  Yet, when they needed money, they'd just repackage whatever was on the slab, stick some Amiga graphics on it, and be sure it'd sell to at least 1500 of those crackpots in Classic land.  The Classic community were the ONLY people who ever bought anything from Amiga.  They learned that lesson way too late.  No one wanted Fleecy's half baked 'Digital Environment' enough to keep dumping money into the company.

When I got there in 2000, Bill McEwen told us all that 'Classic is dead.  There's no money there at all in that market.'  I didn't agree, and it turns out he was kind of wrong.  Hyperion took on OS 4 entirely on their own, it was their idea, and they actually had to kind of goad Amiga into letting them use the name.  Interestingly, there were even brief talks between MorphOS crew and Amiga to have MorphOS be the next Amiga OS.  Sadly, the battle of egos on both sides crushed that idea.  No one could come to a deal everyone liked. :-(  So Hyperion had to start basically from scratch, although they did have at least parts of the OS 3.1 sources.  

Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else.  I was the first to run it.  It ROCKED HARD.  I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them.  We owned all the rights to it!  But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want people confusing Amiga OS as we knew it with the new Digital Environment that Fleecy envisioned, so we didn't use it.  It was good enough-we coulda had it in CompUSA in two months.  Pre-Release CD 6 could have just gone gold as it was and been a hundred times the seller that the 'party Pack' was.  I still have the Amithlon pre-release CDs.  Every now and then I fire it up, it is wonderful for emulating an OS 3.1 box, and it was faster on an Athlon 900 than my Cyberstorm could ever hope to be.  

Boat.  Missed.  

I have no idea how they are surviving today.  I wish them well.  I wish they'd pay me.

 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2007, 05:57:36 AM »
Hi Bolton, very sad to read your post.  It's clear Fleecy and Bill are idiots.

If it wasn't for their stupid decisions we would all be running MorphOS (which would have been renamed Amiga OS 4), or even Amithlon renamed OS4 on X86 native cpus probably by now.  

Ok, Hyperion has done a great job on OS4...it is a better product than I would have envisioned.  But without hardware and the current legal problems it's not helping anyone.

Very sad situation...and that sucks they haven't paid you! Is there anything you can do?

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2007, 06:30:44 AM »
Well, according to their newly revamped website, it says they have entered into some sort of deal with the city of Kent, Washington to name some sports arena the 'Amiga Center' and it seems to me like the good city of Kent needs to know what kind of people they're giving millions of dollars to.  I think my attorney needs, first thing in the morning, to check this out and find out why they haven't paid me yet.

If their marketing hype is even somewhat true, it implies they have money.  this implies I can take what is owed to me.  I'd like that.

Thanks for the support.  The Amiga community at large has really been pretty supportive of people who've been hozed by Amiga.  Also, I kinda wonder if Fleecy's still around Amiga or if he bailed.  I don't know for sure on that.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2007, 03:55:33 PM »
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Well, according to their newly revamped website, it says they have entered into some sort of deal with the city of Kent, Washington to name some sports arena the 'Amiga Center' and it seems to me like the good city of Kent needs to know what kind of people they're giving millions of dollars to. I think my attorney needs, first thing in the morning, to check this out and find out why they haven't paid me yet.

Is it not Amiga INC that is paying them and not vice versa?
The only thing i know about fleecy is that Bill McEwen stated that he was still working for Amiga INC during the 20 questions a few months back.

It is indeed sad that they go into such deals when they apparently have not even paid what people were owed.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2007, 04:28:42 PM »
Great post Bolton.

I was asked by friends why in the heck they don't just keep working on Amithlon since they were impressed by the speed. The only answer I could tell them is that they stopped.

But I think now they had some updates to it so that it can run on newer hardware.  For the most part, if they would have kept spending all the time to making amithlon better, then definately it would have been worth selling, but now its probably too late anyways.  Windows, Linux, and MAC do all that you want... Java, web browsers, games, anything....

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2007, 04:41:02 PM »
thank you for the post Bolton.  I hope you get your hard earned $.  Best of luck to you!

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They had a sort of love-hate relationship with the 'Classic' community, who they often saw as a bunch of die-hards and crackpots. Yet, when they needed money, they'd just repackage whatever was on the slab, stick some Amiga graphics on it, and be sure it'd sell to at least 1500 of those crackpots in Classic land.


that says it all from a insider.  I figured thats all that they were using the Amiga name/community for.

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2007, 04:42:47 PM »
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If it wasn't for their stupid decisions we would all be running MorphOS (which would have been renamed Amiga OS 4), or even Amithlon renamed OS4 on X86 native cpus probably by now.


That would have been the best decision ever.  Looks who's still standing?  x86 Amiga OS..plenty of hardware.  Look at MacOS, they're not doing bad on X86.  But I digress.
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2007, 05:16:46 PM »
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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2007, 05:16:58 PM »
From the looks of it, we will never get anything of substance from Amiga Inc.  Therefore, no one should support them or acknowledge them.

I had heard that Hyperion was doing good things with OS4, but there is practically nothing to run it on, so it is little more than a novelty.

I saw the suggestion about the fact that MorphOS could've been running as OS4 and that we could've had x86 Amigas.  While not true to the classic sense of the Amiga, I still would've sucked something like that up in a heartbeat.

I wish there was a light at the end of this tunnel.  But the boat was missed, for that I sadly agree.
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2007, 06:27:43 PM »
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Thanks for sharing this information.  It's a sad story.

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2007, 06:29:50 PM »
it does?
 

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Re: Amiga inc
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2007, 06:30:36 PM »
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Amiga were also offered Amithlon before anyone else. I was the first to run it. It ROCKED HARD. I begged them to use it, we had a WINNER and could sell a bajillion of them. We owned all the rights to it! But sadly, Bill and Fleecy didn't want people confusing Amiga OS as we knew it with the new Digital Environment that Fleecy envisioned, so we didn't use it.

I have a feeling that this part is one of the reasons why no one is getting a license. They dont want AmigaOS4 being confused with AmigaAnywhere which they have also named AmigaOS in some of their press releases.