The OpenAmiga Standard

greenboy wrote:
Hi Crumb,

Just to sidetrack on development toolchain further - and since you mentioned IDEs: I'd like to see something like Eclipse shaping how development is done ;  }

Eclipse is a fantastic IDE, especially the GTK2 version with the CDT plugin for C/C++ development.

Just one problem, no JVM to run it in! :-)

[nDude]

There can be only one !

Why ?

Because we don't want the mess of having 3 oses supporting the same set of features but still tryinging to outshine eachother and thus inherently trying to break combatibility. Oh and bother the few developers we have to workaround 3 times as many bugs.

This can only end at the point where 2 or 3 of these OSes dies. Only if one outlasts the others it will get any support.

I would say that if AOS4 would come out it would automatically kill the other two, but then again someone seems to lack the courage to kick it out of the door ...

What we need is ONE os and ONE base hardware plattform. The Sony playstation 2/3 would be ideal for this imo and it even lacks a decent OS.

If you want a Open standard i'd say go play with unix all unixes are similar just use the apps on all ...oh  no that doesn't work ...nm use linux and use all apps ... oh blimey that doesn't work without having 234 different shells and 132 gui systems. But yeah it's open source in all it's glory so you can improve it your self and make the 133rd gui for it.

/Rant off

[alx]

I would say that if AOS4 would come out it would automatically kill the other two

I doubt it - AROS is open source, so even if most of the userbase migrated it could still be developed (besides, it's currently the only one on x86).  And MOS will soon be going in a different direction to AOS.  IMO that's the only problem with Open Amiga; while it's great at the moment, once AOS and MOS diverge it could start to stagnate, as the common ground between the OSes becomes older.

alx wrote:

I would say that if AOS4 would come out it would automatically kill the other two

I doubt it - AROS is open source, so even if most of the userbase migrated it could still be developed (besides, it's currently the only one on x86).  And MOS will soon be going in a different direction to AOS.  IMO that's the only problem with Open Amiga; while it's great at the moment, once AOS and MOS diverge it could start to stagnate, as the common ground between the OSes becomes older.

But OpenAmiga will be an evolving set of standards.  Much in the same way POSIX was/is.

[jacadcaps]

Reaction isn't free either. The good thing about MUI is that it IS included as part of MorphOS and AmigaOS4 and you get it when purchasing hardware. So all NEW users ARE able to use MUI applications. Only new OS4 users will be able to use Raction on the other hand, which IMO makes it useless as a openamiga gui standard.

[uncharted]

It's all looking good :-D

I had a bit of spare time today and started a design for the website, but I can see you've got that side of things already sorted.  If for any reason you can't use the boingball/butterfly design (trademarks etc), you could fall back on this if you needed.

Anything else needed, like PDFs gfx etc just give us a shout :-)

I'm still amazed that this has still remained so positive, lets keep it going.

uncharted wrote:
It's all looking good :-D

I had a bit of spare time today and started a design for the website, but I can see you've got that side of things already sorted.  If for any reason you can't use the boingball/butterfly design (trademarks etc), you could fall back on this if you needed.

Anything else needed, like PDFs gfx etc just give us a shout :-)

I'm still amazed that this has still remained so positive, lets keep it going.

Very nice Uncharted!

I'm a bit worrried about the trademarks myself to be honest.

My personal preference is the rainbow tick (checkmark to our Amercian buddies!)

It's not trademarked AFAIK, and it harks back to the glory days in the hstory of the Amiga family and all it's bastard offsprings! ;-)

Send a PMAIL to filson about web stuff as i've forced.. erm I mean handed all responsibility of that side on to him. :-D

I'm busy with organising stuff and putting together the first release of an OpenAmiga Platform SDK for 68k.

[DavidF215]

@jacadcaps & @Kronos

Is it the full version of MUI or a crippled version?

*edit*
I read the news item. Is the AmigaOS GUI preference separate from the MUI preferences so that users can still change parts of the GUI such as colors, pointers, etc.? If the included version of MUI cannot be reconfigured then doesn't that limit the users ability to change colors, pointers, etc. of the Workbench? Or is MUI and the OS4 GUI separate enough so that color changes and pointer changes can be made?

If an OS4 user wants t have a full MUI implementation, they can install the opensource MUI clone Zune. :-)

[Terminills]

by mdma on 2003/6/12 18:07:23
If an OS4 user wants t have a full MUI implementation, they can install the opensource MUI clone Zune.

 I still want gtk2 ... now if I knew a damn thing bout coding I might try to port it.  :-P

Terminills wrote:

by mdma on 2003/6/12 18:07:23
If an OS4 user wants t have a full MUI implementation, they can install the opensource MUI clone Zune.

 I still want gtk2 ... now if I knew a damn thing bout coding I might try to port it.  :-P

I'd love GTK2 also, but to put in the first OpenAmiga Platform Spec would put back the release date of the first SDK by anout 2 years! ;-)

[Terminills]

I'd love GTK2 also, but to put in the first OpenAmiga Platform Spec would put back the release date of the first SDK by anout 2 years!

 Hey I never claimed I was being logical I just want it.  :-D

:lol:

[NewRevolution]

Can someone  summarize what have been said here? What have people agred to? What is the next step?

I'm trying to collect some some meat to put on the bone..um... info for OpenAmiga.tk  :-D

@uncharted
Nice banner: Hang on to it, I'm also a bit unsure if we can change the logos the way we have done.
We have to ask Amiga Inc. and MorphOS for their permission to use their logos I guess - especially in the way we have done.

NewRevolution wrote:
Can someone  summarize what have been said here? What have people agred to? What is the next step?

I'm trying to collect some some meat to put on the bone..um... info for OpenAmiga.tk  :-D

@uncharted
Nice banner: Hang on to it, I'm also a bit unsure if we can change the logos the way we have done.
We have to ask Amiga Inc. and MorphOS for their permission to use their logos I guess - especially in the way we have done.

I was gonna summarise it all last night, but other things got in the way.  I'll get round to it on Sunday night probably as I've got a busy weekend ahead of me.

http://openamiga.org/

openamiga.org is now active, please update your bookmarks!

@alx and uncharted

Could you come up with a new logo with openamiga.org and a rainbow tick between the two of you please?

Or anyone else for that matter.  It doesn't have to have the tick, but I've got the idea in my head and I quite like it now! :-)