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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #104 from previous page: June 11, 2003, 09:23:17 PM »
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bloodline : Lets keep this in perspective... All we are doing is defining a set of minimum standards which if develoeprs follow (and most already do wirthout realising it, due to the standards we have chosen) then it will be easy to port their apps from one platform to another... we don;t really ask anything else of them.


I found the Amizilla thing rather relevant because standards are actually a majorly discussed issue in what gets ported, and how.

But I understand your point.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #105 on: June 11, 2003, 09:24:18 PM »
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Some sort of chimera would probably be apropos...


LOL!  I was going to say that but you beat me to it! :-D


But still, all this talk focused on a logo and not actual development ;-)

 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #106 on: June 11, 2003, 09:29:23 PM »
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Ok so this seems to be more than a nice idea.  In theory it should be able to work.  The only problem I can see is that some of the APIs are for commerical products, but there are always ways around that.  Now what is needed is for someone to explain exactly how it WILL work.   We need someone to come up with a detailed plan and proposal to put forward to the current players.

The next stage after that will be to present the whole OpenAmiga initative to the AROS team, Genesi/Pheonix and Hyperion/Amiga and get them to sign up to it.

@Greenboy
This would be perfect for that progamming inititive I discussed with you.


Well, AROS is the reason we can do this. It provides all the whole standard (it has free, opensource alternatives to the comercial APIs covered in the openamiga spec) in one free package.


-Edit- A detailed plan would be in essence: make sure MOS and Hyperion keep AOS3.1 compatibility and introduce extentions in a system friendly and API documented (ie, they can tell us what they are and how they should work, but not tell us how they did it)

The Other APIs need to have OpenSource alternatives only if they do not already exist on one of the platforms (they all do, and AROS has opensource version of those that are closed).

The Openamiga group needs to be able to make sure that all the system can provide a base standard functionality...

So we can only raise the base standard when all system are able to meet it, understand... Openamiga needs to do nothing outher than define what id the minimum that all thesystems can do.

The APIs I have proposed cover that minimum already, well almost  (ie in the important areas) :-D

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2003, 09:33:34 PM »
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uncharted wrote:
Ok so this seems to be more than a nice idea.  In theory it should be able to work.  The only problem I can see is that some of the APIs are for commerical products, but there are always ways around that.  Now what is needed is for someone to explain exactly how it WILL work.   We need someone to come up with a detailed plan and proposal to put forward to the current players.

The next stage after that will be to present the whole OpenAmiga initative to the AROS team, Genesi/Pheonix and Hyperion/Amiga and get them to sign up to it.

@Greenboy
This would be perfect for that progamming inititive I discussed with you.


We need a few big apps and alot of little apps to be OpenAmiga compliant before we can expect the big boys to even entertain the idea of signing up for it.  Amizilla would be perfect.

-edit-

this is OUR community and if WE as DEVELOPERS and USERS demand OpenAmiga comliance from the apps we use,then market forces will dictate that the big boys will want to come on board.  PEOPLE POWER
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2003, 09:36:52 PM »
Good luck guys :-) Keep the ball rolling!

Dave - signing off for a bit.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2003, 10:06:55 PM »
...But don't take it wrong, everything I've said as devil's advocate: I applaud this effort.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2003, 10:07:43 PM »
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greenboy wrote:
...But don't take it wrong, everything I've said as devil's advocate: I applaud this effort.


:-D

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2003, 10:15:51 PM »
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greenboy wrote:
...But don't take it wrong, everything I've said as devil's advocate: I applaud this effort.


IMHO, the hardest thing will not be developers... since they will be using these APIs anyway... the hard thing will be getting Hyperion and MOS to make sure they stick to the script and don't try any dirty tricks to introduce incompatibilities... one would hope the communities desire for standards would force them to compliance :-D

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2003, 11:26:10 PM »
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greenboy wrote:
...But don't take it wrong, everything I've said as devil's advocate: I applaud this effort.


IMHO, the hardest thing will not be developers... since they will be using these APIs anyway... the hard thing will be getting Hyperion and MOS to make sure they stick to the script and don't try any dirty tricks to introduce incompatibilities... one would hope the communities desire for standards would force them to compliance :-D


All I can say.. I'll wish you all working on this luck and lot of strength.. You'll need them a lot
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2003, 11:39:12 PM »
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mdma wrote:
The website is on its way!

http://openamiga.tk



whats .tk?

why .tk?

why not .org?
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #114 on: June 11, 2003, 11:41:11 PM »
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mdma wrote:
The website is on its way!

http://openamiga.tk



whats .tk?

why .tk?

why not .org?


.tk is free .org isn't!! :-D
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2003, 11:48:40 PM »
MDMA, you might want to make it clear on the website, that the choice of CGX was not in any way against P96... but simply that P96 uses the CGX API!!!

It seems many people are having a hard time grasping this concept even now... after 7 years!!!  :-x

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2003, 11:56:58 PM »
Those are the kind of rivers running through the world that once made clear you only have muddy thinking to contend with ; }

Didn't Samuel Clemens often allude to this? ; }
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #117 on: June 12, 2003, 12:01:55 AM »
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bloodline wrote:
MDMA, you might want to make it clear on the website, that the choice of CGX was not in any way against P96... but simply that P96 uses the CGX API!!!

It seems many people are having a hard time grasping this concept even now... after 7 years!!!  :-x


You'd think "CGX v4 compatible" would be enough.

Some folk eh?

Have you had a gander at osnews yet?  A certain fanboy is spouting off yet again! :-(
 

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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #118 on: June 12, 2003, 12:11:25 AM »
i haven't looked yet but based on past performance I can sure guess who it is.
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Re: The OpenAmiga Standard
« Reply #119 on: June 12, 2003, 12:13:27 AM »
Maybe it would be better to create a seperate section for ppl to look at if they were in doubt of the meaning of the specification.
It can easily become very messy if all things have to be explained all together with the specification.  :-)

and it would make my life easier  :-D  :-D
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