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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #74 from previous page: June 09, 2003, 12:45:07 AM »
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AmigaOS for the AmigaOne is no where to be found. That is what I consider the real news.


Do you have a point to make, or do you just like trolling?


Why is that trolling?

(And I say that being a person who couldn't give less of a damn for the fly-in-the-ointment Morph-os)
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2003, 01:18:56 AM »
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2003, 01:23:53 AM »
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Why is that trolling?


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AmigaOS for the AmigaOne is no where to be found. That is what I consider the real news.


Yes, everyone knows OS4 isn't released yet, even then the comment was inaccurate, as OS4 has been "found" on an A4000 on the tour.  There was nothing interesting or informative in the post, and it looks like its sole intention was to annoy people who want OS4.  What was the point in saying it?  Because Farquad felt he had a unique and interesting point to make?

I'm all for discussion, and I don't mind heated discussion either, but it should not be for the sole benefit of inflating egos and point-scoring.  People can make controversial points that might get other peoples' backs up too, but do it for some other reason than just to annoy people.

Do you feel he had anything valid or interesting to say?  Regardless of the point being right, wrong, agreeing or not with my feelings on the subject, I don't think he did, he was just trying to make a bitchy remark, IMO.  And the last thing I want to see happen to amiga.org is for it to become like comp.sys.amiga.advocacy or comp.sys.amiga.misc.  If that means people have to be a little more mature and a little less impulsive, I'm all for it.

 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2003, 01:24:56 AM »
i dont see why so many are still going over all this pegasos v's amigaone bs

simply choose the one that suits you, and buy it
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2003, 01:39:07 AM »
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So you finally accept that MOS used AROS rather than secretly stolen data tapes that Amiga, Inc had hidden in Merlancia's top-security hideout?


So you are saying that former members of Phase 5 ( who later became the authors of MorphOS) were never given access to AOS 3.x source code by Amiga Technologies (or whatever it was called at the time) in the mid-90s?

I'd love to know, because I've never been given a straight answer on this. Is it just rumour or did it actually happen?


I've heard so many rumors about it that at this point I can't even keep them straight.  If you're asking me as an employee of Genesi, then you're asking the wrong person for I am not in the development nor the legal departments.  

But this does bring up a curious question in the back of my head:  How much of AROS's source did Hyperion use in order to assist their development of AOS4?  
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2003, 03:17:16 AM »
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Like the featurelist, basic system requirements, and screenshots?  How much of Windows, Linux distros, the BSDs, Solaris or MacOS do you see before a new release?


Most of what you see of windows is through leaked betas. I recall MS i pretty hard up when its about releasing secreats of up and coming OSs. I dont know about MacOSX, but i dont remember hearing or seeing much information before a release.

However, the Open Source communities do, but thats because they have nothing to loose when detailing what they've been up to. There are a number of reasons.

You can download it for free. Ie, and betas or nightly builds can be downloaded or you can download the source and compile it yourself to see whats happened.

Their not compeditive with MS or Apple or anyone else, so they dont have any secretes that are viable for the paltform.

AmigaOS is totally, different. With MOS around the corner, Amiga Inc and /or Hyperion dont want to give away trade secreats. But having said that, i think we've seen enough featurelists and prerelease screen grabs to know whats going on. I think thats all their required to do!
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2003, 03:31:54 AM »
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Kronos is a troll, a morphOS user with no interest in OS4 whatsoever.


I dont know if kronos is a troll. I know he's keen for MorphOS and asks a lot of questions about AmigaOS when something bigsh happens. Nothing wrong with that.

Although, that bit in kronos text about the OS4 develop (rouge i believe) was very uncalled for. But it happened, and everyone should have left it there. Its not kronos fault the flame war started, it takes more than one to do that. The first to reply pretty much cemented it in!!!!

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@To the Friedens:


They did a bit of trolling too remember :)

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Keep up the hard work. One day you will be rewarded for it. Be proud of what you have achieved, no matter what some ppl say (always the same ppl by the way) and keep fighting for what you believe in. I hope that you will be able to really show off what you have done yourselves next weekend in Germany.


Keep the OS4 tour rolling :) Cant wait to see what other things might be install, if any. These guys are doing a great job. Keep up the good work.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2003, 04:48:54 AM »
@Z5

Of course they don't have to answer anything. That was hardly the point. But let's see if they kindly can answer a couple issues I'm interested:

@Friedens
- Can I copy text from all requesters and windows?

- There is currently a bit of a problem with missing audio.device in Pegasos/MorphOS which causes lots of audio software not to work. How is that handled in AmigaOne/OS4 combination?
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2003, 07:46:13 AM »
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You did waste your and other people's time with these "you didn't ask nicely, I won't answer" types of messages
Kronos directly picked me for that - blame it on him. If you think reading my (or Thomas) posts is a waste of time, there is the easy solution to look the other way.


You disagree with my point then? The one about being the bigger man. I'm sorry to hear that. I really am.  :-?

If you indeed think Kronos did it to annoy you - or to make you look bad - he certainly succeeded in getting some of the worst of you out. If you only had held the moral high ground, answered nicely and let his flames wind down...

You would have gained a lot of respect and Kronos would have looked... silly.

It is not, in my opinion, interesting to discuss who is to blame. If it helps you any, I can concede on Kronos. But that is like trying to solve the Middle East crisis by finding a scapegoat. Nobody wins. My original post in this thread was about benefits for you. I sincerely believe you could gain a lot that way.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2003, 08:14:56 AM »
@Rodney

You might not think that Kronos is a troll, but this topic posting of his was clearly flamebait from subject to signoff. Its not a matter of being a better man, do you think that if Kronos was face to face with the Friedens in a room he would have spoken thus? What about with his dear old mum present?

I suspect you and I know what to expect from a Kronos post so we filter off the excess crap.

Can you imagine say Gary, Nate or Alkis using such a tone as Kronos does? However we expect less in this case.

Lets analyse:

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 Subject : Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

Rudeness. Suggests that the news from the OS4 tour ( anti-aliased fonts/ PPC native and PPC modules working in their integrated emulation approach ) was not REAL or USEFUL which contradicts flatly what Kronos and others have been calling for "SHOW US IT WORKING".

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Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??

Rude. Implies that the reason that it had not been shown before was cowardice rather than the traditional AmigaOS approach ( which is not to release betas since 1.3 ). The "what do we get??" shows exaggerated nay pantomime indignation.

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Another bunch of useless screenshots  

Rude. "useless". No need for that. I agree that screenshots are far from a great indicator of anything but I didn't notice you saying that "screenshots are useless" when we started to see the first MOS Ambient screenshots. However they do illustrate the progress of the UI, anti-aliased fonts and serve as a discussion point. Far from useless. In fact I remember distinctly you arguing with me when I pointed out that screenshots don't tell you diddly about Ambient.

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Did anybody ask, what the were seeing ?
How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?
(and no, I don't care wether it is just a recompile away, I want to know what is NOW)

Rude to disregard an answer before you get it "I don't care if blah blah waaaaah". What you want is an answer that allows you to go rushing round all the newsgroups and fora posting "ITS JUST 68K FOR FREAKS SAKE!" willfully ignoring the relative simplicity of a make clean all install.

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What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?
Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?
And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?
What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ? Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?
What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported RIGHT NOW ?

All quite reasonable compared to the Kronos we saw before. I ask you though Kronos, if someone sends you a cheque for 100 euros in an envelope they have wiped their arse with would you open it willingly?

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And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer

No. I don't think you are worth an answer but what I think in this is irrelevant, your **questions** were worth answering but frankly for the last few years you have come across as nothing but a schoolyard gang member with a gutter jeering attitude who is incapable of hiding his agenda.

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(hi Hans-Jörg), but that doesn't change the fact that my questions are valid,

No, it doesn't change that but again we are back to merde encrusted envelopes.

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and that
STRAIGHT answer to them would give a much better insight in the state of things as a
million of screenshots could ever do.

Rude. Suggesting that before they have been less than straight.

So no, in conclusion I dont think Kronos's questions are trolling but the packaging he uses is designed to inflame and annoy the answerer as well as telling the audience what he thinks before any answer is given.

I am reminded of those 50s small town american films that shows the jock and his mates jeering at someone trying to provoke a fight.

So Kronos, don't expect a civilised response unless you are prepared yourself to act civilised. For the others on here criticising the Friedens, don't blame them for Kronos' behaviour.

Given how they did not resort to Kronos' level I think they come off "the better man".
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2003, 08:45:17 AM »
@DaveP

The Friedens did not go down to "my level" ???
Maybe you  should try to reread this thread with your eyes open with time !

I also allready explained to you that there is no way that you could have seen years of Kronos-postings as I never posted in
any Amiga-forum prior to September 01,  and was more or less pro-OS4 till May 02.

The reason I posted the remark to Hans-Jörg was that he acted just like that on Amiga-News.de, were he tried to put words in
my mouth (try to find a quote were I said that OS4 will never run) without giving proove or answering my question.

My stance on screenshots is known, and prior to this thread there was no NEWS (things we didn't know before) from the tour.

No we finally got some answers, and I must admit that they seem to a bit more advanced as it seemed based on the info (and
reactions to questions) we got from them before. I just don't understand why they didn't make such important steps news themselves.

And yes I still think that "can easily be recompiled" is NOT an answer to the question of how much is PPC-native, and thats
why I put that in.

Would I have the a prob saying what I wrote face to face with them ? NO ! They do have an history of flaming and trolling
 themselves (just look up old ann.l or Amiga-News threads on MorphOS or  Amithon), and if they can't take a spoonfull of
their own medicine .....

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2. Wait a while.
3. Check if it can actually be done.
4. Wait for someone else to do it.
5. Start working on it while giving out hillarious progress-reports.
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2003, 09:15:14 AM »
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I've heard so many rumors about it that at this point I can't even keep them straight.  If you're asking me as an employee of Genesi, then you're asking the wrong person for I am not in the development nor the legal departments.  


Fair enough. I'll have to ask elsewhere then.

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But this does bring up a curious question in the back of my head:  How much of AROS's source did Hyperion use in order to assist their development of AOS4?  


Oh dear! Now this to me sounds like : -

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2003, 11:09:21 AM »
No AROS code whatsoever was used for OS 4.

This is hardly surprising if you consider that AROS is only meant to be compatible with 3.1 at source-code level.

 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2003, 11:20:02 AM »
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How much of AROS's source did Hyperion use in order to assist their development of AOS4?


Simple one word answer: "Zero".
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #88 on: June 09, 2003, 11:25:18 AM »
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he certainly succeeded in getting some of the worst of you out.


Believe me when I say that you haven't yet seen the worst of me.

It is not only here. Kronos does this on every forum.

To give him credit though, his questons *are* valid. Something that you cannot say from others, especially on german forums. However, like I said, if he chooses to ask them in an offensive way, I choose to ignore them.  
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #89 on: June 09, 2003, 11:28:39 AM »
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