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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2003, 08:51:24 PM »
Wow. People really do not have sense of humour.

At least people got some answers. Actually I had a couple more questions but guess it's not much sense to ask.

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #45 on: June 08, 2003, 08:57:51 PM »
@Enthilza

> see a lot of BS targeted at me, every day, sometimes from you as well. So you think I should swallow every #### targeted at me and reply nicely ? Grow up.

I give lots of bitching and BS to MOS developers at mailinglists aswell. So far none has replied in a matter you guys did.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2003, 09:00:40 PM »
@ Mr. and Mr. Frieden:

;-) Being a Club Amiga member, I am privy to information that most of Hyperion’s detractors are not.  That data, combined with the new screenshots, have me a very happy bunny.

:-D Rest assured, gentlemen of Hyperion: I, for one, am elated with the recent news, and will be ecstatic to get my hands on the new Amiga OS 4.0 when it is available.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #47 on: June 08, 2003, 09:07:00 PM »
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I see a lot of BS targeted at me, every day, sometimes from you as well. So you think I should swallow every #### targeted at me and reply nicely ? Grow up.


Just to step in... I'm not saying you should, but I do think it would benefit your position - "swallowing the crap" and replying nicely. Many companies probably hold the position that it would also be the "professional" thing to do, but that is not so important a point... The more important ones are all the benefits of rising above the crap. Benefits for you.

I'm talking about maintaining the moral high-ground with style and answers that gain their merit from their substance, not their effectiveness in countering personal attacks with more of the same. Hooligan had a point, even if he made it poorly. You did waste your and other people's time with these "you didn't ask nicely, I won't answer" types of messages - only for your people to eventually answer. (Nicely, thank you very much for that!) There is very little grown up about that. But more importantly, there is very little for you to gain in that.

Again, these subsenquent responses to Hooligan were quite unnecessary. You could have just calmly answered, ignored the flames and walked away as the winners of this thread. To be balanced, same goes for people like BBRV. It is not without reason some say he is his own worst enemy at times. Frankly - people around me tell me the same. And I think they are correct. There is lot to gain from fighting only the necessary fights, and very little in fighting the useless ones. (Obviously the art is to know which is which.)

You would gain an enormous amount of respect from people just by saying "sorry, got a bit worked up there - here are the answers". Believe me, people don't expect it, and not all will buy it, but many will love your for it. I've seen it happen a lot of times. It's the humility and achievement through action that buys souls and holds them near. Us loudmouths, well, we don't often get that far.

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Sorry, do not treat me like an idiot, then I won't treat you like one. That's a basic fundamential.


An eye for an eye?

Remarks like that only make people dig harder to find all the times they could say the same of your people. And us all being imperfect, they will find valid ammunition. You can't stop that, and you certainly know that. But you can choose not to participate. Stick to the point, answer the questions even if they are uncomfortable (if you can) and let the personal remarks slide. And if you make a mistake, or get worked up, (and we all do from time to time) just admit it and apologize for it - even if no-one else does that.

They will love you for it.

Now, me goes back to trying to swallow my own medicine.  :-)
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #48 on: June 08, 2003, 09:14:30 PM »
@Friedens:
Thanks for answering the questions, even if they were asked in a less-than-friendly manner.  Unlike the usual suspects, I like the fact that some OS modules are still 68K code, it goes pretty far to show that our huge 68K code base (in aminet etc) will probably work well.  About the P96 being a patch rather than integrated, I think the reason for the question was, how well integrated is it?  I think you answered that by saying that even the early startup menu (before the disk-loaded stuff kicks in) you have access to the new screenmodes.

Is Hyperion going to be actively involved (ie someone standing next to one of the machines) in any of the demos?

@Hooligan_DCS:
Interesting word, "manbeings".  It sounds like something Zorg from Primus5 would say, "cower, primitive manbeings" :-D
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #49 on: June 08, 2003, 09:21:47 PM »
I will rephrase.. mankind :)

And to all who thinks I was trolling, I was not. I was being direct, and thats what I honestly believe: to answer someone ten times "we will not answer you" is childliss arguing and total BS.

Don't know if either of the boys actually read the thread and noticed me agreeing with them.. guess it was more important to jump on my throat than read the previous comments.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #50 on: June 08, 2003, 09:30:25 PM »
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I will rephrase.. mankind :)

And to all who thinks I was trolling, I was not. I was being direct, and thats what I honestly believe: to answer someone ten times "we will not answer you" is childliss arguing and total BS.

Don't know if either of the boys actually read the thread and noticed me agreeing with them.. guess it was more important to jump on my throat than read the previous comments.


*Sigh*

And so it goes on.  You could actually just be the bigger person and walk away if you were the kind of person you claim to be.  But no, you HAVE to get the last word in.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #51 on: June 08, 2003, 09:32:34 PM »
I think they're a bit touchy right now.  They've probably been working very hard (read: late nights, weekends) to get OS4 to a demoable state.  It's not them controlling the demo,  so they can't skirt around buggy areas; they need to make sure *nothing* will bomb (this is the "first impression" BenH was talking about).  After all that hard work, a few people who have no intention of buying OS4 start slagging it off, just for fun.  I would definitely be pissed off if I was Hans or H-J, I'm surprised they even replied.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #52 on: June 08, 2003, 09:35:39 PM »
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After all that hard work, a few people who have no intention of buying OS4 start slagging it off, just for fun. I would definitely be pissed off if I was Hans or H-J, I'm surprised they even replied.


That really is the problem. How can you tell if someone will buy OS4 or not? Many of these people probably will consider it when it ships. We are talking about long-time Amiga users, after all.

The answers of the sort we've seen here benefit no one. They will certainly not benefit Hyperion. But sure, I can understand getting worked up - we all do that from time to time.

They could still make it right though.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #53 on: June 08, 2003, 09:37:11 PM »
"Manners cost you nothing"...thats what my dear old mom used to say. :-D
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #54 on: June 08, 2003, 09:38:16 PM »
@CodeSmith,

While I agree and think you're right, it would have been better if they had not to replied at all.. Or at least had waited a bit longer before posting. Anyway, Roque did answer the questions, so that makes up for it..

@ the OS4 team

Nice work fellows. (Don't like the look myself, but it's still good to see)
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #55 on: June 08, 2003, 09:38:45 PM »
@HyperionMP

So you finally accept that MOS used AROS rather than secretly stolen data tapes that Amiga, Inc had hidden in Merlancia's top-security hideout?

As for MOS using AROS:  And your point is?

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #56 on: June 08, 2003, 09:44:16 PM »
I believe he's saying that it's the pot calling the kettle black.  If MOS people think it's OK to use code/icons/whatever from AROS (why reinvent the wheel, after all?), then they should also think it's OK for AmigaOS4 to use code/icons/whatever from AmigaOS3.
 

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #57 on: June 08, 2003, 09:44:30 PM »
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As for MOS using AROS: And your point is?


Maybe because FarQuad said that the MOS team had written an OS from scratch in a shorter time than OS4 had been made - using AROS code means that it isn't quite "from scratch".

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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #58 on: June 08, 2003, 09:46:57 PM »
in reply to Kronos' original comments. I saw some pccies that weren't the screencshots hyperion made (can't remember address) and anyhow. A couple A1s A4000PPC. OS4
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Re: Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?
« Reply #59 from previous page: June 08, 2003, 09:53:12 PM »
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That really is the problem. How can you tell if someone will buy OS4 or not? Many of these people probably will consider it when it ships. We are talking about long-time Amiga users, after all.

True, but you forget what's been happening in the meantime.  For Chronos to go out and buy OS4 and the hardware needed to run it (CSPPC, A-One, whatever), would mean he's admitting that he's also a "Blind Follower of The Name Cult".  I think he'd sooner run Windows XP  :-D