Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[Kronos]

Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??
Another bunch of useless screenshots :quickdraw:


Did anybody ask, what the were seeing ?
How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?
(and no, I don't care wether it is just a recompile away, I want to know what is NOW)
What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?
Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?
And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?
What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ? Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?
What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported RIGHT NOW ?

And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer
(hi Hans-Jörg), but that doesn't change the fact that my questions are valid, and that
STRAIGHT answer to them would give a much better insight in the state of things as a
million of screenshots could ever do.

[EntilZha]

> And yes I know someone will come around and tell me that I ain't worth an answer

It depends on how the question is asked. And as I know your stance towards OS4, I also know that you are not interested in the answer, but only in how you can bend them to suit your needs.

Sorry.

[Kronos]

@Thomas

You REALLY are twins it seems ......

And again:

Do you think that my questions are not valid ?

And do you think that not answering them (again) isn't the perfect
amunition for us critics ?

Cos, when I'm forecd to take "no answer" as an answer, I can
only assume that we are seeing somthing like MOS0.1 !

An 100% 68k-OS3.x running on an emulator plus some eyecandy.

Feel free to tell me I am wrong, but if you do so, tell where exactly
I am wrong   :-P

[EntilZha]

> You REALLY are twins it seems ......

Sure we are.

> Do you think that my questions are not valid ?

They are valid.

> And do you think that not answering them (again) isn't
> he perfect amunition for us critics ?

It doesn't matter if I answer or not. If I don't answer,  it's ammunition, and if I answer, it's ammunition. Remember Monty Python "Life of Brian".

[Crumb]

Although I wasn't there, looking at the screenshots you can see that they are using a Voodoo3 ;-)
If I remember correctly they use a Prometheus... and you will be able to use current p96 drivers... I don't know how many drivers will be ppc native, I guess that the voodoo3 and permedia2... others shouldn't have so much priority. The guy that was coding the Radeon drivers posted some time ago in one of these forums that he already had WB running with his drivers...

About the software they ran, at least we know that they showed native OS4 apps (look at the fractal program)

Most of this is pure guessing, but it would be nice if someone who was in the show did a small report for us ;-D

@Thomas:
I hope you'll update the datatype/codec system soon so we don't have to rely on third party viewers and players...

[uncharted]

Kronos wrote:
@Thomas

You REALLY are twins it seems ......

And again:

Do you think that my questions are not valid ?

And do you think that not answering them (again) isn't the perfect
amunition for us critics ?
 

The problem is Kronos, you've spent so much time trolling, AOS bashing, and generally acting like an arse, that when you do have proper questions (and even then you seem unable to ask them like an adult) everyone is going to ignore you.

No-one needs to give you guys ammunition, you're only using pretend guns :-P

[mikeymike]

Kronos, what were you expecting exactly?  Ok, so there wasn't as much information as everyone would have liked, but you're going over the top.

[Kronos]

@andy

"acting like an arse" ?

Wow, thats nice !

Yes, have been criticly about OS4 in the past year, and yes I have
never shyed away from telling what I think about all the Hype around
what is and was just trivial parts of the OS, but I also had am awfull
lot of "acting like an arse" directed at me, by normal users AND
official-AInc/Hyperion people, but that doesn't change the fact
that these are the important questions, and that they have sofar
allways been avoided (often by calling the one asking a troll),
by Hyperion when they did have enough time and energy to rave
about a new dock or HDToolBox.

I'm sure noone would mind an OS4 with 3.9 AmiDock and HDTBox,
but an OS4 without support for the onboard(addons) to the CS-PPC
would/could go nowhere.

And about the orginal questions:
I don't see how they could be seen as asked in an unfriendly way
or should I have reworded them to AO-style

"Dear fleecy/Ben/Hans/Thomas, I do now that OS4 will rock and
that you are doing a real good job, could you tell me how much faster
you SCSI-device is than the one done by the evil evile ones ?"

Somehow I think my question were as straight and fair as they
can get, when you are expecting a substantial answer.

[Kronos]

@Mikeymike

I was expecting that after 19 months we would finally get some
real info on OS4 itself, not just the cream-dressing on top of it.

Guess I was wrong.

[z5]

Either Slovenian ppl are still speechless, or they were so unimpressed that they didn't bother to write something about it, or there were no visitors at the show.

I think we will know a lot more next week after the German show, with both Friedens there to demonstrate.

[zacman]

I read here that "the mouse was a
bit wobbly" and that "opus didn't work". Why?

[Derfs]

by Kronos on 2003/6/8 13:30:56

Cos, when I'm forecd to take "no answer" as an answer, I can only assume that we are seeing somthing like MOS0.1 !

dont you know its MOS 0.4 with updated hacks to get those extra window dressing shots

An 100% 68k-OS3.x running on an emulator plus some eyecandy.

Its amazing how you got spot on at first guess, isnt it.

[EntilZha]

> Yes, have been criticly about OS4

That's the friendly term for it. Ridiculing would be better. You can't just lead a discussion in any civilized form. Just look at the very first line of your first post here:

"Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??
Another bunch of useless screenshots "

And you're wondering why you don't get answers ?

Important questions not answered: Maybe. (Do you have something particular in mind ?) But then, it's impossible to even lead any decent conversation on web forums without trolls (from any "camp") coming in and placing flame bombs all over the place.

>And about the orginal questions:
> I don't see how they could be seen as asked in an unfriendly way
> or should I have reworded them to AO-style

You don't need to be fawning when asking a question, but I don't answer when the the question is mixed with flamebait all over.

And as I said before: I *know* you are not interested in the answers. So why should I bother ?

[EntilZha]

> "opus didn't work". Why?

Good questions. It works for me (same as IBrowse, which was also mentioned in that thread).

Regarding the "wobbly" mouse: What does that mean ? Does it lag behind ?

[zacman]

>Good questions. It works for me (same as
>IBrowse, which was also mentioned in that thread).

I thought it was meant that Dopus didn't work but
Ibrowse did.

Maybe just a missing library.