Any REAL news from the OS4-tour ?

[zacman]

>Good questions. It works for me (same as
>IBrowse, which was also mentioned in that thread).

I thought it was meant that Dopus didn't work but
Ibrowse did.

Maybe just a missing library.

[uncharted]

Kronos wrote:
@andy

"acting like an arse" ?

Wow, thats nice !

Just talking straight.  Like the old Catchphrase Gameshow - "Say what you see"

Seriously though it seems some have difficulty when I talk straight, like it's out of character or something.

Yes, have been criticly about OS4 in the past year, and yes I have
never shyed away from telling what I think about all the Hype around
what is and was just trivial parts of the OS, but I also had am awfull
lot of "acting like an arse" directed at me, by normal users AND
official-AInc/Hyperion people, but that doesn't change the fact
that these are the important questions, and that they have sofar
allways been avoided (often by calling the one asking a troll),
by Hyperion when they did have enough time and energy to rave
about a new dock or HDToolBox.

The problem is it goes way beyond that.  There are many people here who will look past the fluff, ask questions and yet still behave like an adult.

You appear to have a deep hatred of all things not Genesi, which goes beyond the point of asking questions.  You don't want to know the answer, you just want to further your own private agenda.

On one level I have an admiration for the fact you are up front about your stance on things (unlike some others).  But on the other hand it just gets tiring.

I'm sure noone would mind an OS4 with 3.9 AmiDock and HDTBox,
but an OS4 without support for the onboard(addons) to the CS-PPC
would/could go nowhere.

That's rubbish, we've already had people complianing that it's "just 3.9".  Lets face it, no matter how good it is there are people out there who are out to slag it off, to preserve their pride.

And about the orginal questions:
I don't see how they could be seen as asked in an unfriendly way
or should I have reworded them to AO-style

"Dear fleecy/Ben/Hans/Thomas, I do now that OS4 will rock and
that you are doing a real good job, could you tell me how much faster
you SCSI-device is than the one done by the evil evile ones ?"

Somehow I think my question were as straight and fair as they
can get, when you are expecting a substantial answer.

I've never noticed AO being like that.  Are you saying that we never get "BBRV your so great, can you tell us exactly how great you are?" style comments?

There are cheerleaders on both sides, the only differnce between them is the colour of thier uniforms.

> Do you think that my questions are not valid ?

They are valid.

.. so are you going to answer them? The Community seem to be aching to be told, regardless of who actually asks the questions.

And until now all you have done is say "well I won't answer because Kronos asked". I can't ask then, because I am associated with MorphOS. So.. who needs to ask to make you answer?

[Rodney]

Wow, just what i always wanted. An ann slag fest live @ amiga.org

Can someone delete all the posts (including this one) after kronos, because their offtopic and just plain stupid flames!!!

Sorry kronos, i cant answere your questions

[mikeymike]

@ Kronos

I was expecting that after 19 months we would finally get some
real info on OS4 itself, not just the cream-dressing on top of it.

Like the featurelist, basic system requirements, and screenshots?  How much of Windows, Linux distros, the BSDs, Solaris or MacOS do you see before a new release?

[lorddef]

Thats different, all those OSes aren't hyped for 6 years.

[xisp]

Re-sending questions because I am also curious to
know.

How much is still 68k, and how much is PPC ?

What did run ? 68k SW ? WOS ? OS4-native ?

Is P96 allready intregrated in in graphics/layers, or still patching the orginal libs ?

And how will that affect the AGA-compabilty ?

What HW was used ? SCSI (on the CS-PPC) ?

Where new drivers used (emu or native ?), or
ist it still the Phase5-device running in emu ?

What GFX-card ? Zorro,PCI or CV-PPC ? And what others are supported right now ?

Thank you in advance for the answers. ;-)

[downix]

Like the featurelist, basic system requirements, and screenshots? How much of Windows, Linux distros, the BSDs, Solaris or MacOS do you see before a new release?

A lot more than that.  Before Windows is released, there are reviews for years ahead of time on various websites.  There are streamed videos of how it works.  There is a tearing apart of it's inner workings and dissection of every click and mouse movement.

Before a major Linux distro update is released, it is given sneak previews by almost every major linux outlet, the same level of dissection as Windows *if not moreso*, and generally total analysis of the design for months beforehand.

Same goes for the BSD's and Solaris.

And *ALL OF THEM HAVE PUBLIC BETAS RELEASED MONTHS IF NOT YEARS AHEAD OF TIME.*

You're the one that asked, just remember.

[mikeymike]

@ lorddef

Thats different, all those OSes aren't hyped for 6 years.

That shows how much you know about Windows or MacOS.  I've known about the codename "Longhorn" and various (vapourware or not) bits of news related to it for quite a few years now.  I've heard much the same kind of hyping in the background with MacOS as well.

Anyway, AmigaOS4 has NOT been hyped for 6 years.  It's been 'on the horizon' and not much said about it for a long time, but I think most people (ie. 'not Amigans') will have a very different definition to 'hyping' than you do :-)

[mikeymike]

@ downix

A lot more than that. Before Windows is released, there are reviews for years ahead of time on various websites. There are streamed videos of how it works. There is a tearing apart of it's inner workings and dissection of every click and mouse movement.

Not years ahead.  And anyway, you can't have a "review" before the product is released.  You have a "preview" :-)

Longhorn is just starting to have useful information leak out about it, and it's probably going to be released next year.  But there's been vapourware information going on about it from reputable sources going on for years.

You don't get a dissection of any OS, particularly Windows way before its release, or even before its release.  A few trusted companies/websites are allowed to look but not touch it, only as long as they say nice things about it.  I keep my ear to the ground reasonably about Longhorn, and I've only seen the screenshots for it, and some dodgy videos of strangely/dodgy animating windows, and the bizarre "128MB graphics card required to run Longhorn full stop" requirement.

Ok, you find a majorly detailed pre-release of information for any OS and I'll concede on a single point.  About Linux, generally you see an errata and new features list when a new kernel is released.  Otherwise, distros get p/reviewed, in a "it was easy to install and I quite liked it" point of view.  BSDs you certainly don't, and (while I'm not sure on this next point) Solaris I've not heard of such detailed criticism or information coming out pre-release.

Yes, AmigaOS4 should have hit the shelves by now, considering the release of the AmigaOne hardware.  If that had happened as intended, then the p/reviews would have come out as they usually do, however it's not finished yet.  If you do your homework, you'll find generally that particularly with Windows, previewers are allowed a few screenshots and are allowed to say a few nice things about how great all the new features are, that's about it.

Particularly with the OS4 featurelist, I've never seen anything so detailed pre-release for any OS, and I'd like to see you produce some evidence to support your statement.

One more thing - when was the last time you saw a PUBLIC beta of Windows, MacOS or any other commercial operating system?  I think you'll find, as with most operating system releases, that only a selection of people will get betas shipped to them.  Just like with AmigaOS.  And they probably have to sign NDAs, just like OS4 testers had to.

[Rudei]

Just talking straight. Like the old Catchphrase Gameshow - "Say what you see"

errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!
Riggggghhhht!

@Kronos

Acting like an arse - I would`ve thought that was a mild spin on it  :-D

[Hooligan_DCS]

@Kronos

well in all honesty, maybe you should have replaced:

"Oh well now they finally dared to show OS4, and waht do we get ??
Another bunch of useless screenshots"

with:

"Only screenshots? I have a few questions thats still bothering me, anyone able to answer: ?"


.. I think you'd have better response.. nothing wrong being straightforward though. It's just that screenshots WAS what people were screaming for, and got them. Frankly I don't like what I saw either, but I wouldn't call them "useless".
And indeed, valid questions, each one of them.

Hooligan

[Rudei]

The voice of calm and reason strikes again.

Hi Hooligan!

[FarQuad]

Real news?

AmigaOS for the AmigaOne is no where to be found.  That is what I consider the real news.  Now.... all of you go to Wayne and apologize for slamming him several months ago...

//FarQ

[Rudei]

Now.... all of you go to Wayne and apologize for slamming him several months ago...

Well I didn`t actually confront Wayne about his opinions at the time so I`ve no need to apologise.  Again, it makes me laugh thou - I`m sure you could do a much better job at porting an OS and probably in half the time couldn`t you...

[FarQuad]

It should be humorously noted that the MorphOS team WROTE THEIR OWN for dedicated PPC hardware in less than the time it's taking Hyperion to PORT theirs to antiquated Amiga hardware.

I should point out that I have a great deal of respect for the Friedens, but the choice (probably not their own) to write for the old PPC cards first was simply stupid.

// FarQ