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Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« on: February 22, 2007, 01:21:43 PM »
Since there's apparently still a small influx of newbies to Amiga fora (welcome!) who never heard of this despite my incessant nagging and whining all over the net, I just thought I'd post my usual triennial reminder. ;)

As predicted and as most should be able to see, AmigaOS is in a world of crap today. AmigaOS4 "and all future versions" can never be sold for meaningful and competitive hardware on a functioning market, and therefore will remain dead for all practical intents and purposes. This is unless Amiga, Inc's compulsory hardware licensing and bundling scheme is cancelled.

If you agree with this, and do not wish to only be allowed to buy AmigaOS if it comes bundled with (nonexistent) "special" hardware sold through an AInc-licensed vendor, then please read and sign this petition.


After this week-end, I will collate the petition data again and send it not only to AInc. like before, but also to AInc's VC investor. Those who have claimed to have been in contact with AInc management recently are encouraged to share any verified working AInc addresses; e-mail or snail-mail. Suggestions concerning additional recipients are also most welcome.

Why am I still going on about this and post this now?

Well, the Petitiononline.com people FINALLY decided to acknowledge my repeated requests to get access to my "new" administrative credentials there, after one year of me being unable to see the collected raw data. Pentti Kouri's name and contact means were divulged thanks to AInc ending up in court again. More than two hundred new petition signatures have been added since I sent the last batch to AInc. New ones seem to be added every time I post here with my sig.

I haven't been able to muster much energy and enthusiasm to spend on this for quite a while now, and I doubt that this will change. It's been 5 years, things look as bleak as ever, I can't be ar$ed. I do however think I have some sort of obligation to "newly" added signatories to also let their voices be heard as requested, and while I'm doing that I might as well post this reminder in case more would like to join.

Some apparently necessary notes:

The petition was written in 2002 and obviously contains some obsolete references. Yes, PPC went and died (for personal computers, at least), as did the Pegasos and POP. But please note that the petition's suggestions to drop the current licensing scheme are applicable to and essential to implement for all hardware, regardless of CPU architecture, and that Amiga Inc's current policy applies to "AmigaOS4 and all future versions".

Real names might carry more weight than online nicknames and handles do, it's up to you if you really wish to be an anonymous voice. I will not share your e-mail address with anyone, including AInc, without your explicit permission. The recipients only get your entered names and comments.

If you have already signed this, please don't sign it again! If you're unsure, and can't be bothered to search through 28 pages of signatures, please e-mail me at E AT MAIR DOT COM and I'll search the raw data for you. Also send an e-mail if you wish to delete or change your signature or your optional comment (enter a new signature and comment, then e-mail me and I'll remove the old ones).

To the remaining AInc fans, please note that it's a petition, not a chat room or a multiple choice poll. You only sign if you agree with the petition's message. You do not sign a petition if you disagree with it. Abuse will be deleted, but please spare me the hassle.

The URL again:
http://www.petitiononline.com/amigaos/
Introduction (old, but the things that matter are still true):
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[color=0000FF]Maybe it\\\'s still possible to [/color]save AmigaOS [color=0000FF][/size][/color]  :rtfm:......
 

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2007, 01:36:21 PM »
 :horse:
 

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2007, 02:16:09 PM »
Signed... Doubt it will help though..
 

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2007, 02:49:09 PM »
Not sure how much longer this is going to go on for... but I will put this to perspective if people want the Amiga to be a major OS...

To appeal to the college average kid, it has to have a good web browser to do their homework/quizes online.  They use Blackboard here for their grading system/online homework.  The great thing about this is that you dont have to take some nasty pop quizes like they did back then. :)

A good word processor...  Of course everyone needs to type up a paper, but im sure there can be a sufficient one for AmigaOS thats already available. No problem here.

Powerpoint..... Yes, Microsoft makes it, but its the only one that college kids get to really experience or the only media presentation maker they get to use, but this can be overcome by using something like Scala. :)

Games..... I cant stress this enough...  If Amiga had World of warcraft, Unreal Tournament 2004 or Counter Strike, then Amiga would be widely used by many gamers....



I usually think to myself how the average person likes a PC, and for the most part, a majority only want it to keep family pictures... My friends as a whole dont give a rats @$$ what OS they got, as long as they can play World of Warcraft, Counter Strike, or Unreal Tournament 2004...

This would take too long.... But it would be nice to see AmigaOS in something, but as far as a home computer... probably not...  It would be cool to see it ran on top of cell phones like a Razr.  I think i read somewhere that you can replace the entire thing on a Razr and make it have your own GUI.  Either way, Amiga has to play in something different.

I probably beat the horse till it shattered lol! :P

But hey, I am only helping from a college view is all. :D :-)
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2007, 03:32:51 PM »


... Who says the sky is really green? Maybe we\\\'re all just colorblind...
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2007, 04:01:09 PM »
No offense to Seehund -  but sorry, none of those horses look dead enough:

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2007, 04:06:35 PM »
Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2007, 04:20:00 PM »
@swift240,
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Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.

Better now?
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2007, 04:21:49 PM »
Thats better.  :-)
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2007, 04:30:14 PM »
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Thats one SICK photo.
I bet you could not wait to put it on.



At the very least, that horse was burned to prevent it from rotting and spreading disease. I don't own any horses or livestock but I guess if one dies on your land and you have no way to get rid of it, burning it would be the most hygenic and responsible way of taking care of the problem.

Oh, and I did sign the petition a while back. I agree with it even though I think the petition is totally worthless and pointless and will have no effect on anything whatsoever.
 

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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2007, 04:52:59 PM »
Ha ! I wondered what had happened to Seehund  :-D
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2007, 05:49:58 PM »
@Seehund

Personally, I do not wish to see AmigaOS on anything but an Amiga.  and By that I mean its ok if a new X86 Amiga OS was released, but it would have to b a custom chipset x86 box that it and only it alone can run AmigaOS.

I also would like to see a custom chipset original AmigaPDA both classic and X86 version of New Amiga chips if tht was invented.

Its the only way an Amiga will succeed. You cant compete with PC's and Windows with an AmigaOS alone....you need a Machine and the OS.

Many former Amiga companies are SLEEPING and allowing everything Microsoft to squash them..............one such company is SCALA Inc.  They have the ultimate Presentation program.....and havent advertised correctly.........they are marketing as "Digital Signiage".  I think they also need to market as a PowerPoint Beater. They need to overtake that market. but they have fallen asleep and dont realize what they got.............soon and very soon it will be too late and they will never beat PowerPoint, or up and coming Keynote from Apple which si being improved massively.

I think the only Company that can buy Amiga and make it good again is NEWTEK. hopefully they wont focus too much on their own agenda of Video Toasterizing it and marketing it that way.....cuz it will fail like that..........it has to be a Real Full blown Amiga NEXT GENERATION that can also accept the New NG Toaster made for it thats better than any Toaster out there for the PC.

anyways......lets see what happens.
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2007, 05:55:19 PM »
Tim and the gang have no interest in buying Amiga, they are doing great selling VT, Lightwave, Speededit and Tricaster, and likely will have some new cool things to show us at NAB and Siggraph this year.
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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2007, 07:02:01 PM »
@leirbag

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Personally, I do not wish to see AmigaOS on anything but an Amiga. and By that I mean its ok if a new X86 Amiga OS was released, but it would have to b a custom chipset x86 box that it and only it alone can run AmigaOS.


So I take it you don't favour flawed VIA KT133 style hardware (AmigaOne) because it doesn't have a custom chipset? OR does the inclusion of a PPC already make it "custom" and "odd" enough for you? :-P

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Its the only way an Amiga will succeed.


"Custom hardware"="the only way Amiga will succeed"? I don't even think the guys behind the OS4-effort still believe in this BS. Just look how "well" "Amiga" has proceeded since the choice for "custom hardware" was made. Billions of users!

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Many former Amiga companies are SLEEPING and allowing everything Microsoft to squash them.


Oh, another case of Amiga Persecution Complex. Make sure to regularly take your medication.

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anyways......lets see what happens.


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Re: Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2007, 07:34:36 PM »
One thing I have noticed with the Amiga scene:  We can not agree on anything.  Some never want to leave the old school platforms.  Others are open to trying something anything.

I love my old Amigas.  In their time they were great machines.  They are still great machines, as so many things can still be done with them.  And so many new things are still made for them.

Amiga, in order to be saved in any form, needs to have a workable OS that will run on standard x86 machines and equipment.  Yes I know that would put it up against Gates and Linux.  Yes I know this is not an original idea.  But at least if it runs on standard, easily acquirable hardware, AmigaOS would stand a fighting chance to make a small dent in things.

This is an opinion of mine that I have formed over time.  I know it is based on stuff I have heard.  But it seems to make sense and the like.