Save AmigaOS! I can't be bothered.

[Starrunner]

One thing I have noticed with the Amiga scene:  We can not agree on anything.  Some never want to leave the old school platforms.  Others are open to trying something anything.

I love my old Amigas.  In their time they were great machines.  They are still great machines, as so many things can still be done with them.  And so many new things are still made for them.

Amiga, in order to be saved in any form, needs to have a workable OS that will run on standard x86 machines and equipment.  Yes I know that would put it up against Gates and Linux.  Yes I know this is not an original idea.  But at least if it runs on standard, easily acquirable hardware, AmigaOS would stand a fighting chance to make a small dent in things.

This is an opinion of mine that I have formed over time.  I know it is based on stuff I have heard.  But it seems to make sense and the like.  

[skurk]

Starrunner wrote:
One thing I have noticed with the Amiga scene:  We can not agree on anything.  Some never want to leave the old school platforms.

I'm one of them.  I love fixed architectures, such as old computers like the Apple ][, C64, Amiga and most gaming consoles.

As a programmer, there's nothing more predictable than these puppies.  You know exactly how it will act if you do this and that, you know exactly how many cycles you have each frame, and there's no drivers to take account for.  If it works on yours, it works on every single one.

I already have many PC's running Linux, Windows, BSD and whatnot.  I have no interest in programming any other stuff on these than utilities.  Games or demos are out of the question.

But, hey, that's me.  I admit being an oldskool coder with a fetish for what I described above.

As I mentioned in another thread, I think the Amiga could make a retro-breakthrough with AmigaOS4 on Efika, bundled with WHDLoad and a digital joystick.  Wrap it up in a cute case and sell it for $200, $300 tops.  I'd buy two or three.

[m0ns00n]

HEY! WAKE UP!

Aros is already AmigaOS open sourced. Even if the desktop isn't 100% finished and the emulation layer isn't created:

 * the Amiga philosophy
 * the Amiga apis
 * the Amiga structures
 * the Amiga spirit
 * the Amiga technology
 
is already maintained, expanded and cherished in AROS! Now if you really care, then join the AROS project, come to #aros on irc.freenode.net or forever hold your breath. All that you are writing I wrote with AmigaGlobe.com in 1998/9. Ten years later I've realized that Amiga Inc. is a joke (for years). And AROS will do you much better to follow and add your energy to.

m0ns00n

[koaftder]

m0ns00n wrote:
HEY! WAKE UP!

Aros is already AmigaOS open sourced. Even if the desktop isn't 100% finished and the emulation layer isn't created:

 * the Amiga philosophy
 * the Amiga apis
 * the Amiga structures
 * the Amiga spirit
 * the Amiga technology
 
is already maintained, expanded and cherished in AROS! Now if you really care, then join the AROS project, come to #aros on irc.freenode.net or forever hold your breath. All that you are writing I wrote with AmigaGlobe.com in 1998/9. Ten years later I've realized that Amiga Inc. is a joke (for years). And AROS will do you much better to follow and add your energy to.

m0ns00n

Amen!

[Starke]

@ All Who Worship AROS:

No offence, Ok its good and all, but eventually Amiga will die if everyone were to follow something that is totally free and only supported by particular type of people, and then in even a longer time period, there will be only mac and windows! Linux may stay around due to its older versions of linux always being obtainable to download for free!

SO

How the Edited by Argo: Profanity is Amiga ever going to make a come back if everypone remaining in the Amiga community follows AROS!!

THINK

About it, its no good, we may as well all sign the partition, get our friends to sign it, because they are our friends, get our whole families to sign it, just because they can, and see what happens.

AS

In the future, Amiga will rise with a serious attitude from followers, rather than day dreaming and ponding on something that is totally free, which will eventually die out any way when the AROS people are too old too continue, and there wont be anyone to take their place, as in future, no one will wont to do something for free

SO

I SUGGEST ALL OF YOU WAKE UP INSTEAD

While the rest of us signing this petition, are actually also getting our whole families involved to sign, and all of our friends and mates, who dont care if they sign it, but then, their signature will still help infleunce CHANGE!

SO

PLEASE

Save your pathetic freeware for the non business people who dont give a Edited by Argo : Profanity[\b] about Amiga's future, and Im talking about the platform only, ITS NOT THE PLATFORMS FAULT IF THEY HAVE BAD PEOPLE RUNNING IT!

But we all must bear with it, and grin with it, and try and pull the platform through!

Cheers!!

And have a fuken nice day! 8-)  8-)

Flame me, or do what ever, im only going to respond with BUGGER.

I havent forgotten about what I had said on these forums, and I meant it, all of it, except for the unknowledgable parts, but Ive gained much knowledge now!

HEY THATS AN IDEA:

Whay dont we give AROS to Amiga Inc, atleast funding will go towards the Amiga platform then. Or if not Amiga Inc, then who, Hyperion?? ACube??? Talk people!

[Tomas]

I honestly dont understand what you mean starke.. Why would aros have a bigger chance of failing when it is open source? i would believe it was the opposite? Having more people support aros could actually make it into a real alternative. The main problem with aros now is lack of software and drivers, which is due to the fact that it lacks users.

Aros is atleast not controlled by a single entity and thus it will be no problem porting it to a device as long as it has enough support and developers. Why OS4 has not been released yet, is actually due to it being controlled by Amiga INC and their refusal to do anything with it.

[Starke]

OK

But my point still remains, if we all started supporting AROS, their are no funds going towards the Amiga platform in general, forget Amiga Inc for now, How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in, when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??

Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??

The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??

I'll tell you, for free, without a fee, NOWHERE!

SO

We must support Amiga Platform, regardless whos running it at the moment, So the more voices are heard, the better!

Cheers! 8-)  8-)

[Starke]

@ All:

By the way, got four signatures already,

Probably have another ten by the end of tonight!

Cheers!!

Lets all get our families and friends involved.

 8-)  8-)

Their voice could affect the future at large!

[jorkany]

Starke,

How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in,

Probably pretty much in the same way it has continued over the past several years.

when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??

You can't, but so what? That's natural selection. If nobody wants to support it, then why would that be a problem?

Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??

No company needs to make hardware for AROS. That's the beauty of it, AROS isn't anchored to hardware. When you finally catch up on research of OS4 you'll find that is one of the primary reasons OS4 failed: it relied on someone providing the hardware.

The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??
I'll tell you, for free, without a fee, NOWHERE!

How is paying a fee supposed to make a platform more attractive to your typical user?

We must support Amiga Platform, regardless whos running it at the moment,

Really? Why? What is the problem you're trying to solve, that AInc. isn't making any money? Who cares, AInc. doesn't have anything to do with the Amiga, they don't sell Amiga hardware, an Amiga OS, or even Amiga software. If you really want to support the Amiga, just go down to your local thrift store or flea market and pick up an Amiga, and use it. Or save a few bucks and use AROS.

[dammy]

But my point still remains, if we all started supporting AROS, their are no funds going towards the Amiga platform in general, forget Amiga Inc for now, How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in, when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??

Because anyone can download the source code and go from there.  Unlike what we see now as a badly flawed business model/plan from Amiga Inc, AROS doesn't need unrealistic numbers of paying end users to survive.  If anything, your going to find some very level headed and realistic developers in AROS Developer's Community.  AROS is not going to over take M$ nor Linux.  It's building a community of folks who enjoy  a simple OS that doesn't have a ton of headaches.  

If AROS can become friendly with a OEM, that's great. If not, it's not going to be a loss either.  There is no hoping, no wishing, no begging of a "highier authority" of a commercial entity to push AROS forward, it's community create and community driven.  I realize that may a bit frightening some folks not to have a corp to play the role of your parent, but it's time to cut the umbilical cord.

Dammy

[Tomas]

Also, what companies would bother making hardware for AROS??

None.. But that is not just a negative thing. Aros team can actually pick any hardware that they want, be it x86, ppc or even port it to the classic amigas using old m68k or your pda.
AmigaOS on the other hand is locked to only one piece of hardware that is no longer in production.

How the hell is AROS going to continue in future with no funds coming in,

That is the wonders of open source.. The aros team does not expect to get paid. Though a donation here and there does not hurt.

when the Old AROS team desides to stop, and let others do it, how can we be assured that others will do it??

If it has users and enough support, then there will always be someone who will code just like with linux. But it needs the support from the amiga community for that to continue.

[Starke]

@Thomas:

Interesting,

you have your views here,

but yet at the same time your willing to support OS4 by signing the petition.

Either way thank you for supporting Amiga platform!!

Thumbs up to you, now get all you relatives involved, just to sign the petition, and we will be moving towards the light faster!

Cheers!

 8-)  8-)

[Starke]

@Dammy:

I respect the likes of Thomas and Jorkany, but here you are, Ok you may have some old school amigas, and maybe even emulator, or AROS itself, maybe MorphOS, But your real  liking is the new MAC OX,

SO Please, keep off this merchandise!

Cheers!

If what i say is untrue, than by all means tell me what is the truth with you and your situation, without getting mad, nor abusing, nor flaming me, as I will not tolerate it any more from no one on here!

Cheers!!

P.S.That doesnt mean that I dont like some of your other viewpoints in the past!

[Starke]

@ Jorkany:

No wonders Amiga platform is @@#$!@$!

No one on here gives a hoot.

I give hoot, dont polute and corrupt the minds of newbies on here, making them think, theres no point in supporting a platform, but rather freelancers like AROS, that one day will no longer exist, and in turn nor will Amiga because of it!

The fact that AROS can run on normal PC hardware aside, where would this alternatively Leave the Amiga platform in future??
(I was tring to indicate, nothing to do with paying, but that my words here are for free, duh!)

Jorkany
No company needs to make hardware for AROS. That's the beauty of it, AROS isn't anchored to hardware. When you finally catch up on research of OS4 you'll find that is one of the primary reasons OS4 failed: it relied on someone providing the hardware.

ME:
Thats just my point isnt it, what happens when AROS is no longer, by that time Amiga will not be around anymore either, because all of you decided to get something for free, instead of paying for it.
I geuss thats why the Amiga didnt make it to begin with, everyone was pirating, what a bunch!

WORLD:
Amiga's still in with a chance in recent times things are looking more positive than ever, so, will you be there for support, have you signed petition, or are you just like many of the others on here, a bunch of intelligent SNOBS, who keep to their old stuff, and dont want change, coz if you are, no wonders Amiga isnt getting anywhere, on their user base alone, not even looking into the Amiga itself, but just the users seem to be corrupted!

Anyway, Ive got two more signed up, making my tally, including me 6 more to the petition, in just 2 hours.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR BELOVED PLATFORM??


 8-)  8-)


Edited by Argo: Profanity, Please watch you language and take a good look at the posting guidelines.

[Starke]

@ ALL:

WE NEED YOU,

SIGN THE PETITION AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE,

EVEN IF IN DOUBT, JUST SIGN IT, THE MORE THE BETTER,

THE FUTURE OF THE AMIGA PLATFORM DEPENDS ON IT!!

KIND REGARDS

AMIGA PEOPLE AND FOLLOWERS OF THE CRUSADE!

THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE, AMIGA OS5 and OS6!

CHEERS!! 8-)  8-)

If you dont want Amiga platform to progress and come up with new things for the future, that you may want to retreive and use then:

You dont care about it, and thats wrong, hopefully you can still sleep at night!

[TheMagicM]

 Where is that petition to close AI down?  lol