Lets Boost Up Amiga

[Hammer]

If some one walks into pcworld, they ask for that, a pc. Not a Mac, or Amiga

There's no second hardware source for running MacOS X, hence they have issues in the business world.

The current Mactel is basically UEFI(Unified Extensible Firmware Interface) enabled Intel X86 PC with a specific Apple TPM. Apple's PCs(both PPC and X86) are manufactured by ODMs like Foxconn(WinFast, Leadtek) and ASUS.  

They are not intrested in the amount of times it crashes in a session

Any applications in AmigaOS can bring the whole system down.

Rouge userland application doesn’t bring down Windows NT/2K/XP system. (BSOD) “Blue Screen of Death” in NT/2K/XP are mostly caused by kernel land code(e.g. driver) going rouge.

And It`s that problem we have to get around.

Haven't you leant anything from VHS vs Betamax wars?

One of the problems with Amiga Inc and Apple is their business models.

Using StarWars analogy i.e. the clone army (unified X86 PC hardware vendors) defeated the Jedi Knights.      

Dito, for prop AROS and WinUAE/Amikit...

[Krusty]

koaftder wrote:
good god, what is the deal with these threads? Amiga INC is just another company. If they put out a product worth buying I'll spend my money, if they don't, screw 'em. I'm as much of an Amiga fan as the next guy but i'm not all religious about it.

Props to AROS

a sensible post

[Krusty]

Starke wrote:
I am glad to be a man who expresses his thoughts openly

pity you arnt a man who gives a dam about the suffering he is causing to others. ive had enough of your idiotic bull. shutup and go and shout at yourself in front of  a mirror to express yourself

 :destroy:

[neon32]

Whats interesting is you always see the same people appearing in threads like this, putting down anyone enthusiastic about future Amiga's. Who's more stupid?

[Starke]

MUCKER:

Amiga do need to bring out some good stuff, and they are capable of it, In a way, It would be good to see Hyperion take over AMiga Inc, and carry on Amiga's name, But in a bigger picture, we need more than this, lets get HP, or others to start funding for Amiga, and helping it become an excellent choice once again, rather than living in a wolrd of, WAL MAN, The Amiga OS is still amazing.

The younger market want games, so Amiga Inc should to both, Amiga os4 running newly made games,

This is where we need to get Game companies heloping Amiga again.

ANother point to be made here, I believe it is possible for all this to happen, But it cant be done with just three people, So i am trying to find people from Amiga communities, such as this one, and sourcing them out, especially the intelligent ones in a business minded sense, and wishing to go all out for one last chance to revive Amiga toatlly over the Mac and other platforms.

My Aim, to make Amiga 2nd, even start of with 3rd yes, but 2nd is the overall aim here.

Once this happens, only time will tell If amiga will be Number one in 50 years or less to come.

HELP EACHOTHER, like a pack, or a flock do!

Cheers

 8-)

[Starke]

NEON32:

Excellent point with what you said here.
Trust me, there are so many enthusiasts here, but none of this matters if none of them are willing to come up with solutions to a problem here.

Theres a bigger picture, and most of the people on here are missing the overall point, instead they want to keep their old Amigas, until they die, and hope that the Amiga dies with them. Explain this to me??? Why is this so??

If they love Amiga so much, even enough to create these wonderful forums for Amiga users, and these sites are also made from Amiga people, then why arent we all finding ways to make it Happen, instead of arguing with someone who comes along, that may have been similar to me, and trying to put them down??

Whats with that? I thought they would all jump to the opportunity to give good suggestions and say, well look, this is what we have done already:
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you know, give the people wanting to help Amiga a clue of what has been done to help Amiga.

But instead Im getting the majority f them being like a pack of wild animals??? Thats not AMIGA, thats something else.

Back in the day when I was young, Amiga people helped Amiga people totally, they always tried to give advice on what can be done to improve this, or improve that.

So now all what im doing, is asking people to help me and my colleagues on what can be done to Improve this situation, of Amiga having a faint heartbeat, and trying to save AMIGA, so Amiga lives on in the future, rather than being stuck in a museum as a piece of ornamentary.

Kind Regards

your amiga bud 8-)

[gertsy]

I Wish....
In my sad demented opinion I think investors and business would be to scared to invest in a technology that has no major starting base or existing market.  

But,, I mostly use my PC for Video(DVDs), Music(MP3s etc) and the Web(email/browsing).  Like everybody else in the PC world.  If OS4 and the elusive hardware package does that and I don't have to spend $3K Au to get it ($2.1K US)

Then I'm in.  

Everybody else wants to run Microsoft stuff at home cos they do at work.  They want to play BF2142 and Warcraft etc.  How does little 'ole OS4 and minimal hardware support get over that hill. I hate being negative but I've seen the long road all the way from '85

OS.4 & hardware needs to have "boing" factor to get anywhere, Its no good offering an alternative to the crowd.  It needs to stand out.  :-o

[Starke]

GERTSY:

I concur.

You are right, Amiga needs more boing factor. Problem is, it can happen, but not enough Amiga users alone wish to support that.
So Amiga Inc aside, even Hyperion is starting to wonder if they should or shouldnt continue, and the Amiga niche market is growing smaller every coupla months, or even sooner, but anyway,

Your point is a valid one, and I will take it into account when dealing with Hyperion

Thank you

Kind Regards

Amiga booster 8-)

P.S.Why that pic for your avatar?

[gertsy]

I remember when the A1000 came out there was nothing like it as a complet package.  If only OS4.0 and the hardware could be that "revolutionary".

Imagine (I wish we could do more than that) It there were a new Amiga that could burn Blue Ray DVDs, Do Cinema Quality rendering and production.  High quality sound production etc + all the standard PC things.  Mmmm.  Time to wake up...!

I'd buy it in a flash even if it cost $3K US

PS: My Avatar is an old FrankenGates pic from the Windows98 take over the world days. I found ages ago.  A bit out of place now that he's no such a Philanthropist.  I actually have great admiration for what he's doing.  got up off his **** and is doing somthing physically, financially and long term for the 3rd world.  It might help to say his mountain is much bigger than yours. But he also has more clout,, Unless,, You're not really Bill Gates are you?

BTW : Happy Australia Day.

[Starke]

GERTSY:

I am happy to inform you my friend, no I am not Bill gates.

At the same time you make yet another valid point, here all of us are looking at his Aholeness when it comes to computers, but many of us dont look past that, and actually look at what hes trying to do for the third worlds copuntries.

Either way, I do need help in my crusade, but I know its going to take time to get people to speak up.

When I say this, I dont mean the come flying down here and the works, just helping eachother here to try and work out ways we can help Amiga grow again into something bigger.

Surely that is worth everyones time?

Why would you sit around waiting for the company to tell you what to do, when we the users, know what we want.

Im not much of a technical man in various aspects, but I do have speech, as im sure people may have noticed by now!

I also have action, that in itself is also a good thing for this to maybe work out for everyone AMIGA, and for even new users to AMIGA in the future, when we succeed here.

Then theres the will, and the faith, you gotta have faith in what you are doing, is the right thing to do. I believe it is.

I am going to make another post, not today, as I wont be able to be here and talk back on the wonderful or not so wonderful suggestions.

IN THE LONG RUN:
My plans are simple, get Amiga to be 2nd. I know it seems a little bit far fetched at the moment, but so did windows and bill gates at the time. But I geuss many have forgotton his humble beginnings.

I honestly believe if the Whole Amiga community, especially since the majority are younger folk, like myself, got together, and backed eachother up, that there is a big chance for a successful future for Amiga as a whole.

Having said that, no one should be expecting this overnight.
But I am really so sure about it, that it must happen, as many people out there are turning to Macs, Imagine the Macs were replaced by Amigas, We would have a bigger market already.

DAMN, I better stop and save it for my Important post that I will post, probly tomorow or tonight.

And it is important to me, as I still love Amiga, and my heart is in this, even if my knowledge isnt the best, but then, Ive started, Im in good hands here, although most people were negative towards me, I did notice some good ones come along and support me and backed me up, and they didnt even know me.

AND people, this is what we should do, back up the company. And if we dont like it currently, lets find ways to make it better. Its not that hard to do, what is hard to do, is to actually make them make it happen. But this is where numbers count.

And I think this is my longest ever post. So I geuss people can also tell by now, that I am serious and I am wanting to give this a shot, It would make it easier if it wasnt just me and a coupla mates.

Cheers 8-)

And lets try it together, how do we know the answer if we dont try?

[bobamu]

I feel to get into your post, I have to read it really loudly and quickly and be all  :crazy:

really, the last chance to do all this stuff was over 10 years ago.

I'm another one of those evil persons who is content with his old hardware.

It's sad, but that's the way of things.

[reddwarfer]

Count me in Starke.
I think that we could at least give something a try even though it may appear bleak, but another few million/thousand Amiga users isn't bad is it?

[dammy]

I think that we could at least give something a try even though it may appear bleak, but another few million/thousand Amiga users isn't bad is it?

I don't even think it's bleak after we remember how few A1/Pegs were sold when people had the chance to buy an "Amiga" again.  The only real solution for a PPC OS4 is porting it to EFIKA.  It's here and it's cheap.  The expensive A1 and the cheaper (but still too expensive) Pegs could not match the cheapest modern x86 performance, sales show us all too well that fact.  EFIKA doesn't even try to compete on the desktop market, and that's a smart move.

I'll stick with the open source "Amiga", AROS.  I can not see how, especially with the nightmare IP issues OS4 has, it can be economically viable to survive.  Once AROS native is ported to EFIKA, that should satisfy the PPC snobs.  :-D

Dammy

[Darklight]

Starke, I think what you're forgetting is that many of the members here have been Amiga users since the early days (if not day 1) and have seen the downfall of Commodore, the promises from Escom, Gateway, and Amiga Inc, mistake after mistake (ie, QNX/Linux fiasco), and delay after delay and have been burnt by the platform they loved more times than they would care to count.

I'm only 22 myself (and another Australian) but had an A500 since not long after they came out here.  I was too young to understand much of what happened in the 90's with Amiga (truth be told, I didn't even know about it), and only investigated Amiga again a few years back after I found a cheap A600 and decided to put an HD in it (I still have my 500 ).  I read up on Amiga's history, and a lot of it shocked me - I hadn't known that Amiga's were still around in any form, the fact that there was still some life (albeit on a respirator) surprised me.  

Since then I've built my collection and there've been many times when I've had similar thoughts - "You know, if I won the lottery, I reckon I'd buy Amiga Inc and get some stuff going again", much like most of us probably have.  However, I can appreciate why some of the members here may appear cynical in the face of yet another Amiga revival idea.  If it's not another "I want to build a new Amiga motherboard/expansion" thread, or a "I've made a new Amiga motherboard/expansion" thread, it's a "Why are we content to let Amiga die?" thread like this one.

I can appreciate why you've made this thread, and trust me, I've thought the same things numerous times, (had similar thought about other failed platforms too, such as the Dreamcast), but it certainly wasn't through lack of community spirit that the Amiga got to this stage in the first place.

Trying to get the Amiga to compete again in a world almost controlled by Microsoft/Apple seems to be a daunting if not completely impossible task for a platform so long in the tooth and relatively unsupported.  To many (including myself), it's a wonderful pipe dream, but may seem as likely as the Spectrum becoming the exclusive platform for Halo 3.  

I'd be happy to help 'revitalise' Amiga, but I think it may take infinitely more than you might imagine for it to even become as popular as a Linux distro.  Still, it is good to see that there are still idealistic minds willing to help the cause

Sorry about the rant, once I started, I couldn't stop :lol:

[SteveSMS]

Starke wrote:
GO HARD!! And never say die until something is no longer being used at all

Do you say that to your girlfriend too? :lol:

[Starke]

SteveSMS:

Yeah I did, that would explain her raving afterwoods.

But now shes more like an EX, with benefits.

I enjoy the peace I get now, With her, it was always, can u, can u, can u, and I was like, I gotta do stuff for me too.

I got a lot of ideas in my head, som already have been carried out. But, this posting is not about my life, its about ours.

Cheers. 8-)