Hi!

[countzero]

Homer wrote:
Can anybody remind me what this thread is about ?
 :lol:

random rantings thread

ok maybe it's time we get some "port OS 4 to X" bs here. I think OS 4 should be ported to transmeta crusoe, and all peggy users are carrot eating blue trolls.

[EDanaII]

@ mel_zoom:

I'm actually gonna give you a serious response on this thread, for once. Don't worry, I won't let it happen again. ;-)

Rather than just use it for retrogaming I am thinking of setting up my amiga and using it to learn a programming language. There is no reason why I cant use my PC for this or even the mac when it arrives but I thought it would be fun and perhaps even productive way to get back into using the amiga.

This is actually what I'm doing. I'm an experienced programmer and I've known C for years but never used it seriously, and just recently decided to update my skills with C++. Rather than doing it on the PC, I figured, what the hell, I'll try compiling stuff for my Amithlon system and UAE.

However, C and C++ can be very cryptic and hard to learn. I never used it much on my Amiga in the good ol' daze 'cause I was too busy and it was too dificult to figure out.

All that said, if you're gonna give it a try, I recommend this bit of software AmiDevCPP. Of the Amiga compilers I've used so far it was the easiest to set up and get going with. That, however, is not to say that I didn't have issues with it. Nothings 100% easy. :-) If you're serious about this, give it a try. It, however, is a cross compiler, not a native one, so you have to compile it on the PC and then run the code on UAE or your Amiga.

So does this make me a "dork" too?

Be a dork! Dorks rule! If you only knew the POWER of the Dork-side!

;-)

Ed.

[Krusty]

of course that idiots girlfriend has put on weight. she had the sense to dump the crazy fool and go out for meals with other blokes. he just cant take the rejection and is lashing out at people here. wot a moron

 :destroy:

[Louis Dias]

Krusty wrote:
of course that idiots girlfriend has put on weight. she had the sense to dump the crazy fool and go out for meals with other blokes. he just cant take the rejection and is lashing out at people here. wot a moron

 :destroy:

Let me quote myself:

@dorks
I dumped her and she's since gained ALOT of weight. Let the insults that expose your jealousy .. resume.

[Karlos]

@Mel

Learn C. Then forget everything about it except for the basic syntax and learn C++. It is the only way :lol:


Hmmmm. Could this be the perfect excuse I need to actually get at least one of my machines working again?

:lol:

[Karlos]

lou_dias wrote:

I had an A in C++ all semester long but in the final project, I made it SO object-oriented and used every feature of the language just to prove I could (like a dork) and then the damn thing just crashed at the same point for no apparent reason.

This is probably why. You wrongly assumed that by using all these features you were demonstrating the appropriate level of dorkiness but in fact a good developer always knows when to use feature X and more importantly when not to.

Anybody can learn the features of a language, design patterns and a myriad of other techniques and paradigms. Knowing when and where to use them is what makes the difference between a bad developer and a good one.

[CannonFodder]

I could not get the final project to work right because the language was the barrier

Correction:  Your lack of intelligence leads to you being unable to bug fix your own code, let alone actually understand how to design it correctly in the first place.

*Anyone* can be taught to code in *any* language, it takes a special kind of intellect to be a good coder.

The language itself is irrelevant, a good coder can code well in any language.

edit:
@Mel

Want me to teach you to code? ;-)

[koaftder]

CannonFodder wrote:

The language itself is irrelevant, a good coder can code well in any language.

Bingo!

[AJCopland]

@all the coders
Language wars are pointless, you use what you must when you must and what you can when it's possible. Most of these choices will be made for you by the availability of the particular functionality you desire to achieve your goal.

I've gone from AMOS -> BASIC -> 68k asm -> VisualBasic -> PASCAL -> C -> C++ -> JAVA -> MIP32 assembler -> PS2 Vector Unit Assembler -> oh-god-who-cares anymore.

You can be as proficient as you like in VB.NET and then you'll be asked to: "port it run the server on Linux oh and the client on Mac oh and by the way how's the Xbox360 port coming along?" and then you'll be in trouble.

It doesn't matter. They're all good.
You learn to program but it doesn't exactly matter what language you learn IN it's the art of programming WELL that matters.

@mel
I think you've been welcomed and accepted now :crazy:

And with that I'm removing myself from further notifications on this thread and gonna watch Anime with my girlfriend :-D

Goodnight folks.

Andy

[Louis Dias]

To my coding critics:

Yes, be proud, you are all bigger rocket scientists than me.

I wish I still had the code to submit to you rocket scientists that even my friend with the Master's degree in CIS couldn't figure out.

Yes, you are all much more clever than I, please continue to tell me what incredible rocket scientists you are.

2 years of self-taught C64 Basic followed by 6502/8502 assembly before I was 13 as well as the following 9 years of schooling and 9 years of real world experience and I'm a real noob.  I bow down to your levels of rocket scientistology (yes, I know it's not a word).

[Ctrl-h]rocket scientist[Tab]dork[Alt-r]

[Karlos]

Well, if you insist on waving the willy:

I learned BASIC on the ZX81 (then onto the ZX Spectrum) and was writing z80 machine code by the time I was seven years old.

I built a 256KB paged memory expansion and wrote a functional (read crap but worked) eprom based switching kernel for it by the time I was 12/13. Unfortunately I ballsed up the hardware slightly and ultimately fried the lot during a later stage of the development :lol:

Took a huge sabbatical from it all until I was about 18 and started coding in Blitz Basic / 680x0 assembler for a while then taught nyself C, then C++. Since then I've learned a whole family of syntactically related languages.

[X-ray]

You've achieved all that and you can't eat a Brussels sprout?

 :-P

[Doobrey]

Karlos wrote:
Anybody can learn the features of a language, design patterns and a myriad of other techniques and paradigms. Knowing when and where to use them is what makes the difference between a bad developer and a good one.

Not quite, it's what makes the difference between a manager and a good developer ;-)

[AJCopland]

@everyone
Actually the important part was this.

oh-god-who-cares anymore.

:-D

Andy

[adz]

Why is it that whenever lou_dias posts I feel like stabbing myself in the neck with a screwdriver, I'd much rather hear from Mr. Hans George Cambell, hell I'd even prefer to hear from leirbag28 :roll:

[whiteb]

I just joined this thread and just read all 7 pages and Just cant believe you guys.

A female that is in IT, and has an amiga, and your all ready to gknaw your arms off........

Sure, I was all "Hubba Bubba" at the pic, and I am amazed she has not used a pic of a hippo sized woman just to have a laugh at the responses. I mean most of the people here are probably old enough to be her father.

Give her a break guys, its quite a change from Bangladesh, and I hope she will be happy with the buggeringly cold winters of the UK.  At least the UK doesnt have a sea of Rickshaws down the street (yet).
Although I am sure london is getting there.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Dhakarushhour_%2854%29.JPG

Mel, Another place you might wish to join for amiga related discussion, is eab (English amiga board) at http://eab.abime.net where i am sure there will be less drool lining the floor .

Welcome to the world of amiga