Hi!

[CannonFodder]

mel_zoom wrote:
Oh dear!

The language wars. Do people still argue over that one?

I thought it was common knowledge that C and C++ were the only languages for serious (non-web) development. I cant really understand why companies would use an entry-level language like Basic to develop real software.

Because people who can code in proper languages cost at least double the salary of VB "programmers".

[Karlos]

lou_dias wrote:
Well, though you may have V.D., I don't.  That being said, I'm a VB.Net programmer and we go out with girls like this:

www.geocities.com/lou_dias

Sure, right up until she found out you were a VB developer :-P

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:

lou_dias wrote:
Well, though you may have V.D., I don't.  That being said, I'm a VB.Net programmer and we go out with girls like this:

www.geocities.com/lou_dias

Sure, right up until she found out you were a VB developer :-P

Real programmers can afford chicks like that! ;-)

[Louis Dias]

mel_zoom wrote:
Oh dear!

The language wars. Do people still argue over that one?

I thought it was common knowledge that C and C++ were the only languages for serious (non-web) development. I cant really understand why companies would use an entry-level language like Basic to develop real software.

Ever see the footage for Mortal Kombat: Armourgeddon  for the Wii?  The special moves are easily pulled off by simple gestures instead of complicated stick movement and buttons press combinations.  This means matches will be decided by how and when you use the moves (i.e. talent) and not who has sat there and drudged through the repetive and boring tutorials to master 1 mundane special move that is easily countered with another.

It's also like saying that the guy that invented the automobile is the world's greatest driver.  Not the case at all.

Higher-level tools let creativity and design come first.

The same applies to programming.  C# is C syntax yet it is 100% functionally equivalent to Visual Basic, which is an object oriented language.  With today's system specs, C is no longer ideal.  C# is there to bring common ground on a common platform for you relics.

You can all sit there and make your jokes, but this thread continues to proved it, C(++) programmers are dork programmers.

@dorks
I dumped her and she's since gained ALOT of weight.  Let the insults that expose your jealousy .. resume.

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

mel_zoom wrote:
Oh dear!

The language wars. Do people still argue over that one?

I thought it was common knowledge that C and C++ were the only languages for serious (non-web) development. I cant really understand why companies would use an entry-level language like Basic to develop real software.

Ever see the footage for Mortal Kombat: Armourgeddon  for the Wii?  The special moves are easily pulled off by simple gestures instead of complicated stick movement and buttons press combinations.  This means matches will be decided by how and when you use the moves (i.e. talent) and not who has sat there and drudged through the repetive and boring tutorials.

It's also like saying that the guy that invented the automobile is the world's greatest driver.  Higher-level tools let creativity and design come first.  With today's system specs, C is no longer ideal.  C# is there to bring common ground on a common platform for you relics.

The same applies to programming.  C# is C syntax yet it is 100% functionally equivalent to Visual Basic, which is an object oriented language.

You can all sit there and make your jokes, but this thread continues to proved it, C(++) programmers are dork programmers.

@dorks
I dumped her and she's since gained ALOT of weight.  Let the insults that expose your jealousy .. resume.

C/C++ is the stuff that your beloved VB.NET and MSIL translators were written in.

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

C/C++ is the stuff that your beloved VB.NET and MSIL translators were written in.

Hence the automobile designer analogy as a driver.  In the end, driving the car is what makes it useful.  Making a car more complex to operate achieves what? - Poor sales?

Also, if one cars is difficult to operate and another is simple, the driver of the latter can spend more time focussing on the road, which is what is really important here, not who is driving the more needlessly complex car.

[koaftder]

lou_dias wrote:

koaftder wrote:

C/C++ is the stuff that your beloved VB.NET and MSIL translators were written in.

Hence the automobile designer analogy as a driver.

So? Hey, in 10 years, .NET will probably be replaced with something else. C/C++ programmers will still have a job.

How's that VB.NET port of Aros to the Wii going?

Man, Amiga must really suck, with the OS and like most of the apps being written by total dorks.

Dang, the Fiero must totally suck, with the ECM code probably being written by C dorks and all.

[mel_zoom]

lou_dias:

Why would I be jealous? :-P

Rather than just use it for retrogaming I am thinking of setting up my amiga and using it to learn a programming language. There is no reason why I cant use my PC for this or even the mac when it arrives but I thought it would be fun and perhaps even productive way to get back into using the amiga.

So does this make me a "dork" too?

Does your impression of C like languages come from the position of being proficient in them but not liking them or simply from not grasping them as readily as VB?

[bobamu]

COBOL Forever!!!!

oh, hi btw!

I better run in fear now, before they try and make me do something horrific, like objectcobol
 :-D

[mel_zoom]

lou_dias:

PS was there any reason you felt the need to point out how your old girlfriend has put on weight since you "dumped" her?

That was quite a unnecessary and chauvinist remark to make considering it had nothing to do with the disucssion.

[Homer]

Can anybody remind me what this thread is about ?
 :lol:

[Louis Dias]

mel_zoom wrote:
lou_dias:

Why would I be jealous? :-P

I was referring to the guys who have to wipe something of there screens when you resond to the directly...

Rather than just use it for retrogaming I am thinking of setting up my amiga and using it to learn a programming language. There is no reason why I cant use my PC for this or even the mac when it arrives but I thought it would be fun and perhaps even productive way to get back into using the amiga.

Girl-gamers are nothing new, even good-looking ones.  I keep coming to this site to satisfy some retro-curiosity with *some* hope of an Amiga "future" as well.

So does this make me a "dork" too?

See above, it's mostly a generallization but directed at the other posters in this thread.

Does your impression of C like languages come from the position of being proficient in them but not liking them or simply from not grasping them as readily as VB?

I've taken C and C++ academically.  Got an A and a B respectively.  I had an A in C++ all semester long but in the final project, I made it SO object-oriented and used every feature of the language just to prove I could (like a dork) and then the damn thing just crashed at the same point for no apparent reason.  I ran it on an Amige C++ compiler and on Visual Studio 6 (at the time).  I re-checked everything atleast 20 times over in the course of 2 weeks.  I could not get the final project to work right because the language was the barrier.  It leads to cryptic code, the reference of a reference of a reference of a pointer.  BLAH!  It's garbage.

In VB, you code it, it works.  If it doesn't you know why in about 10 seconds.  The job gets done.  Everybody's happy.

[Louis Dias]

mel_zoom wrote:
lou_dias:

PS was there any reason you felt the need to point out how your old girlfriend has put on weight since you "dumped" her?

That was quite a unnecessary and chauvinist remark to make considering it had nothing to do with the disucssion.

You haven't been a member here long enough to know it's ugly side.  About how your words will be picked apart, twisted and called lies without proof to back them up.  Actually, you are just starting to yourself.  It's a disease here you know.

Today you call it chauvinist.  Tomorrow you will see it as me crossing my T's and dotting my I's.

Also, you take every post as directed at you when it was a response to CannonFodder's response to my original post.

[koaftder]

This guy couldn't do his homework 10 years ago so C++ sucks and we are all dorks.  :roll:

[SamuraiCrow]

lou_dias wrote:

I've taken C and C++ academically.  Got an A and a B respectively.  I had an A in C++ all semester long but in the final project, I made it SO object-oriented and used every feature of the language just to prove I could (like a dork) and then the damn thing just crashed at the same point for no apparent reason.  I ran it on an Amige C++ compiler and on Visual Studio 6 (at the time).  I re-checked everything atleast 20 times over in the course of 2 weeks.  I could not get the final project to work right because the language was the barrier.  It leads to cryptic code, the reference of a reference of a reference of a pointer.  BLAH!  It's garbage.

In VB, you code it, it works.  If it doesn't you know why in about 10 seconds.  The job gets done.  Everybody's happy.

I agree with you about the C syntax.  I'm using my C knowledge to help with a Basic compiler.  I just hope we get the OOP syntax well enough to compete with VB.NET.

[countzero]

Homer wrote:
Can anybody remind me what this thread is about ?
 :lol:

random rantings thread

ok maybe it's time we get some "port OS 4 to X" bs here. I think OS 4 should be ported to transmeta crusoe, and all peggy users are carrot eating blue trolls.