UFOs - Are ALL these people crazy?

[jkirk]

no i haven't but i have seen so many videos in the past that the subject is becoming a bit repetitive. besides i can't watch it at work.

[JaXanim]

@jkirk
The video is nearly two hours long and is basically a US National Press Club public meeting in Washington DC. The aim is to introduce the 'Disclosure Project'. There are no UFO/ET videos, only the statements of several ex. high ranking Army/CIA/Gov/Scientific people as to why they believe in the Project's aims and that they wish to meet with the US Senate under oath to provide evidence. The basic objective, amongst others,  in all this is the de-weaponisation of space. That to me is worth their efforts.

Unless people watch the video, there's little point in trying to answer the question. It's a new perspective (to me anyway) on the 'UFO Issue'. I'm not seeking a discussion on UFOs, just your opimion on the people in the video. Are they crazy?

Cheers, JaX

[CannonFodder]

There is no empirical evidence to suggest that there are sentient lifeforms other than humans in the universe.

There is none to suggest the inverse either.

[Karlos]

CannonFodder wrote:
There is no empirical evidence to suggest that there are sentient lifeforms other than humans in the universe.

There is none to suggest the inverse either.

The total lack of any artificial radio signals so far is dissapointing, though we've not been listening long.

Finding life elsewhere in the solar system even if only the most primitive imaginable, provided it can be demonstrated it is not terrestrial contamination, the likelyhood of life existing elsewhere in the universe increases significantly.

[jkirk]

@JaXanim

i will try to give it a looksee when i get home. things get so crazy there i can't guarantee that tho.





@Karlos

slight diversion
did nasa kill life on mars.

[JaXanim]

@Karlos
Even the old Drake Equation of the 60s puts the statistical likelyhood of other life in the Universe at quite highly probable.

Recent modifications, taking into account new discoveries and especially the large number of identified exoplanets, would indicate the statistical probability is 100%.

None of that is relevant to UFOs/ETs, but it's interesting.

JaX

[Karlos]

@JaX

Actually, there is a flipside argument also that leads to the exact opposite conclusion :-D

Have a look here for an overview of the "Rare Earth" hypothesis.

It takes the same basic pretext as the Drake equation, but adds a lot more parameters. As with any calculation based on factor multiplication, the probability falls off pretty quick.

I'm not saying which one I go for; each argument has its merits and weaknesses.

Either way, finding life elsewhere in our own "back yard" dramatically helps the case for life elsewhere in the universe.

[JaXanim]

Cymric wrote:
No, because it's a 2 hour film on a topic which doesn't really interest me. I asked for a short overview or summary, or a pointer to the important bits.

I assume you think it's about UFOs (which don't interest you). The underlying issue is far more sinister and will interest anyone who dislikes the way Americans are governed.

Anyway, there's a 40 minute overview of the subject here.

JaX

[JaXanim]

@Karlos
Yes, you can prove almost anything using mathematics/statistics.

Going back to your earlier point about the lack of radio signals, I agree, the apparent failure of SETI and its like to detect even the smallest evidence makes the ET issue a bit of a damp squib. However, I wonder if part of this failure is down to the control wielded by the 'black project' management that runs the American Government. I believe one or two of the witnesses in the Disclosure Project (ref. the video) were associated with SETI and such and are telling different accounts to the ones we all hear about.

Apparently, the live broadcast (webcam) of this meeting attracted such worldwide interest it recorded the largest audience for such in the history of the Internet.

JaX

[Karlos]

@JaX

Fundamentally, the problem with both models is that nobody knows all of the contributary factors. Of those they do know of, or can guess at, there simply isn't enough information to make a reliable estimate, so it comes down to conjecture.

So far, the only model of life we have is terrestrial and the only place we know it exists is right here on Earth, which depending on which factors you take into consideration is either a quite probable planetary configuration all the way down to an almost unique one.

Therefore, finding life elsewhere in the solar system alone would make a huge difference to our baseline knowledge about the prospects of finding life anywhere else. The spectrum of environments in the solar system is probably far better represented in the local universe we know about than just our wee green belt bit.

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:
@JaX

Actually, there is a flipside argument also that leads to the exact opposite conclusion :-D

Have a look here for an overview of the "Rare Earth" hypothesis.

It takes the same basic pretext as the Drake equation, but adds a lot more parameters. As with any calculation based on factor multiplication, the probability falls off pretty quick.

I'm not saying which one I go for; each argument has its merits and weaknesses.

As a Muslim shouldn't you believe that there are other worlds? Afterall, Allah is the Rabbil alameen isn't he? ;-)

[Karlos]

@CannonFodder

I do believe there are other worlds. I can count at least 7 more and god knows how many minor ones within our Sun's heliopause alone.

I just don't know how many are teeming with life.

[CannonFodder]

Karlos wrote:
@CannonFodder

I do believe there are other worlds. I can count at least 7 more and god knows how many minor ones within our Sun's heliopause alone.

So "Lord of all the worlds" means just of the planets, and not of inhabited planets?

[Karlos]

Getting OT:

CannonFodder wrote:

Karlos wrote:
@CannonFodder

I do believe there are other worlds. I can count at least 7 more and god knows how many minor ones within our Sun's heliopause alone.

So "Lord of all the worlds" means just of the planets, and not of inhabited planets?

What are you saying he isn't equally lord of all the uninhabited ones? :-P

In that case, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are mine. I'll make a fortune when we mine them for volatiles in a few centuries :-D

As far as I know, "alameen" is more encompasing than just "worlds" anyway. It encompasesses the totality of all that exists.

[JaXanim]

@all
Anyone watched the video yet?
Are all these people crazy?
Cheers, JaX

[X-ray]

I watched the video, but my impression is that they have a stronger case for identifying secret man-made vehicles than for identifying alien craft.
Having said that, I have seen an airborne 'thing' in SA that didn't conform to anything I know about in terms of speed alone.
South Africa is not known for making big advances in the field of military aircraft (helicopters being an exception).