UFOs - Are ALL these people crazy?

[JaXanim]

I never saw a UFO or anything inexplicable, so I have no reason to believe that UFOs exist. We've all seen those shaky out of focus camcordings purporting to be something out of this world and none are in the least convincing. Anyway, scanning a few UFO videos on Google.com, I saw one which quite amazed me (several actually including this) and I wondered if anyone has a conviction that UFOs/ETs actually do visit us? Before jumping in with your logical answer, watch this first.

Sorry if this is old hat, but UFOs are not top of my agenda.

JaX

[Karlos]

Well, as the U stands for "unidentified", until you know exactly what you are looking at sailing on overhead, you have seen them :-)

If you think how long it takes from the design phase, to the prototype phase to the production phase of any modern aircraft, military applications of which aren't generally open to public scrutiny, you can imagine that people living within the flight range of any airforce base may see things easily attributed to aliens.

Can you imagine what the first civilian sightings of the F117 must have been like? :-D

[JaXanim]

Agreed, but watch the video first.

Cheers, JaX

[Cymric]

Ah, the WTC UFO. Hasn't that been confirmed as a hoax a while ago? As in 'a commercial for a TV-channel'? The effects are pretty cool, but there's no buffeting of the helicopter as the UFO nearly collides with it (there should be substantial air movement!), and the cameraman seems to have no trouble whatsoever to keep track of the very fast-moving UFO. And the Disclosure Project has been classified as 'Crankier' by crank dot net.

There might be genuine aliens out there who take an interest in our doings, but truth be told, if said aliens possess the technology to cross the vast interstellar distances to reach us, why bother with this planet? We're still stuck in a social stone age despite having developed democracy, but when it comes to acting responsibly, many put their own interests squarely before those of others. This is not some sneer directed at the US, as it applies equally to the EU, Russia, and practically anyone else save for some forgotten tribes in the jungle of Brazil or Papua-New Guinea.

[JaXanim]

@Cymric
Ok, the WTC UFU video was a commercial setup, thanks for the link. I haven't bothered reading Crank.com's perspective on the Disclosure Project. Just browsing their various snippets gives me the impression that they're not the best people to believe. The question of motive for alien visitation is also a  good one. Carl Sagan's persusion that targetting Earth was infinitesimally improbable is beautiful in its simplicity (see 'Cosmos' - I forget which chapter/episode). Interestingly, Sagan was also part of the US Government's expert panel for debunking the UFO myth in the 60s (I think it was). All this I've picked up in the last couple of days.

However, the main video regarding the Disclosure Project itself is something different.  So I ask my question again....

Are ALL these people crazy?

Cheers, JaX

[metalman]

JaXanim wrote:
So I ask my question again....

Are ALL these people crazy?

Cheers, JaX

If they won't contact you, contact us!

Alien Abduction Survey

A large-scale invasion by gangs of alien cosmic rapists who kidnap people to stick painful needles in the brain or the leg, and just about everyone gets a lecture about pollution or global consciousness before being released.

 :-P

[Cymric]

JaXanim wrote:
However, the main video regarding the Disclosure Project itself is something different.  So I ask my question again.... Are ALL these people crazy?

'Crazy' is a relative term. If shutting down rational thought to entertain a specific conviction which is felt to be true despite all evidence pointing in the other direction is 'crazy', then yes, they are. Hundreds of millions of people are, in fact---take a look at religious beliefs---although they will object most strongly to such a qualification. To my knowledge it is not known why people do this to themselves: there's a certain safety in belonging to a group of course, and even more so if your group is a little odd and therefore quick to be noticed by 'predators'. Also, I doubt that many of the listeners of that conference have such strong convictions as the speakers themselves: there's a good bit of 'walking along for the fun of it' associated with it, too.

[Oliver]

It's not crazy to label something as unidentified.  Not at all.

I've seen a flying object which had capabilities beyond human engineering feats.  The type of behaviour was also not like anything I would expect of any human agency.

For details, you can see this thread.  Other people on this site have also experienced inexplicable sightings.

[PMC]

I am loathe to accept that ET has the technology to send a vehicle across light years of space and/or from another dimension, which are capable of incredible acceleration and manoeuvering but seemingly unable to conceal themselves from random people, unless of course we're dealing with the "Burberry clad intergalactic boy-racers" of my previous post.  

I might entertain the possibility that our governments are keeping information on such vehicles classified for many reasons - after all, they kept the existence of F117 stealth Fighters secret from the public for a decade.  

I am more open to the possibility that our governments (by that I mean the USA, Russia, China and Europe) are testing high performance vehicles which are classified.  Remember the SR-71?  Take a moment to consider it was designed FIFTY years ago and remained secret for a decade.

Stories from people who have nothing to gain and everything to lose deserve further consideration (ie, Capt Mantell, who lost his life in 1947 when attempting to intercept a UFO), not to mention the reported cases of radiation burns on people who have observed unfamiliar craft at close range.  However, I remain open minded...

[jkirk]

i have seen many things i couldn't explain like a triangle of lights passing over me at low speed with no sound. but i am not going to jump out and say it is aliens. instead i just didn't know what it was.

anyway people also have a tendancy of making up stories to make themselves feel better. as such we try to define what we don't know. the saying that ufo=aliens is one such definition. we might be scared of aliens we are even more scared of the unknown so we pick the lesser of two evils.

now as to the idea of whether aliens exist or not all i have to say is if there is no other life in the galaxy there is a lot of wasted space. :-)

[motorollin]

Cymric wrote:
There might be genuine aliens out there who take an interest in our doings, but truth be told, if said aliens possess the technology to cross the vast interstellar distances to reach us, why bother with this planet? We're still stuck in a social stone age despite having developed democracy, but when it comes to acting responsibly, many put their own interests squarely before those of others.

Maybe that's why we're so interesting to them :-)

--
moto

[JaXanim]

@all
I  haven't speculated on UFOs or ETs, just asked people to watch the video before answering my question.

Has everyone watched the video?

Remember, some of these individuals were responsible for issuing launch codes for America's nuclear weapons. Some had their finger actually on the launch button. These people aren't your 'average' witness.

Are these people (and another 380 like them) 'crazy'? Are the objectives set down those of crazy people? You cannot answer the questions without watching the video.

Cheers, JaX

[amiga92570]

I heard Bill Gates is an Alien.  :lol:

[Cymric]

Has everyone watched the video?

No, because it's a 2 hour film on a topic which doesn't really interest me. I asked for a short overview or summary, or a pointer to the important bits.

Are these people (and another 380 like them) 'crazy'? Are the objectives set down those of crazy people? You cannot answer the questions without watching the video.

Not to put a too fine point on it, but several people in the current US administration saw fit to begin a war on grounds which were later shown to be intentional wishful thinking. A Nobel prize winner has stooped to opening a bogus fertility clinic, duping parents, and using his own semen to offspring about 30 to 40 different children. Stalin and Pol Pot were raving madmen responsible for the death of millions of people. Do you want me to provide more examples where being in a place of great power and mental sanity do not coincide?

[jkirk]

no i haven't but i have seen so many videos in the past that the subject is becoming a bit repetitive. besides i can't watch it at work.