Dominant future AmigaOS? MOS vs OS4 vs AROS

[AmiGR]

And what if I tell you that that's their connection? :-)

[Phantom206]

Well AmigaOS 4.0 and MorphOS will be the final fight I think. But I would prefer AmigaOS 4.0 that runs Linux at the moment.

[jdiffend]

In case you did not know Infogrames (one of the largets game publishing companies in the world) renamed themselves into Atari about a month ago. So I really have a hard time seeing Genesi being able to use that name

Is that what his post was about?  LOL Talk about way off base!

Infogrames  bought the Atari name some time ago (year ior more) and finally decided to make real use of it.  And you can find press releases on several credible sites.

I think someone should stop taking rumors as fact.  I kinda questioned the source anyway (both sites are MorphOS advocacy sites).

[jdiffend]

bbrv wrote:
Unless of course we are working together...:-o

You wish!

Look... one webmaster heard a rumor and made a post... the owner of the other web site read it and posted it on their site.  That or someone working on MorphOS expressed some wishfull thinking.

[alx]

@BBRV

Out of interest, why would you like the Atari name?  MorphOS has always been similar to AmigaOS (and will stay pretty much compatible with it through the ABox), but it doesn't have any similarity with Atari.  IMO "Pegasos" is a good name anyway.

Besides, most of your users will probably believe that Atari lost the Amiga/Atari wars.  And even if you say that "Atari is coming back to beat Amiga" it won't make much sense as many MorphOS users would consider themselved "Amigans" :-D

[KennyR]

But I would prefer AmigaOS 4.0 that runs Linux at the moment.

Eh??

:huh:

[bloodline]

alx wrote:
@BBRV

Out of interest, why would you like the Atari name?  MorphOS has always been similar to AmigaOS (and will stay pretty much compatible with it through the ABox), but it doesn't have any similarity with Atari.  IMO "Pegasos" is a good name anyway.

Besides, most of your users will probably believe that Atari lost the Amiga/Atari wars.  And even if you say that "Atari is coming back to beat Amiga" it won't make much sense as many MorphOS users would consider themselved "Amigans" :-D

I couldn't agree more... Pegasos is a cool name... And I think I speak for most when I say... Atari sucks...  :-D   Sorry but old habbits die hard  ;-)

Given that the Peg run MOS and soon AROS...(both clearly Amiga inspired)  it a bit weird to call a machine Atari.

Can't you just buy Amiga Inc.? How hard can it be?

[AmiGR]

I'm not talking about any rumours...
Yes, Infogrames uses the Atari name.
The connection to get that name *IS* Infogrames.
Ask BBRV for more info, I can't say anything without
his consent.

[Targhan]

Without going into speculation, I seem to remember Infogrames got their start on the Amiga platform.  Wow, the irony here is great.


Speculation time:  
I suspect BBRV isn't thinking of the AtariST, which we remember long wars about..   We must also remember the history of both the Amiga and Atari are very much intertwined.  At one point Atari was supposed to purchase the rights to the original Amiga instead of Commodore.  Jay Miner designed much of the pre-Amiga Atari stuff.  Atari was one of the handful of "founders" of the home computer market.  

I still think I like using the name Pegasos though....

[HMetal]

@Targhan

That's Jay "Miner"

[AmiGR]

LoL! Didn't notice that mistake he did, Jay was CERTAINLY not "minor" ;-)

[Hammer]

 For example, MorphOS uses emulation traps instead.

It that for audio (Paula compatible) or the 68K CPU?

Newbaer uses the mmu stuff outside of the emulation box, on the linux side.
It still slows stuff down, but on a 2ghz machine it's not visible.

In regards to speed, it’s fine on 1.33Ghz Athlon model 4. Also, it can’t be slower than WinUAE-JIT, i.e. emulates the entire Amiga Classic ecosystem.  

Amithlon was tested from the following AMD boxes
1. 1.13Ghz Athlon (Thunderbird) MSI VIA KT266
2. 1.33Ghz Athlon (Thunderbird) MSI VIA KT133A or/and MSI VIA KT266
3. 1.53Ghz Athlon XP(Palomino), ASUS nForce II or/and MSI VIA KT266
4. 1.90Ghz Athlon XP(Thoroughbred) ASUS nForce II 400 (@333Mhz FSB)

All has at least 512 MB RAM. Video cards ranges from Geforce 2 MX/400 to Geforce 4 TI.
 

[AmiGR]

It that for audio (Paula compatible) or the 68K CPU?
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68k.

In regards to speed, it’s fine on 1.33Ghz Athlon model 4. Also, it can’t be slower than WinUAE-JIT, i.e. emulates the entire Amiga Classic ecosystem.
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Well, as I said, on Amithlon, it's done externally afaik.
Such stuff have no place in a cleanly made OS.
About UAE now, that emulates the whole, synced,
environment and speeds the whole thing up to become
faster. That's not how it could work on a native OS.

[Targhan]

@HMetal

darn typos...   Thank you.  

[Hammer]

Well, as I said, on Amithlon, it's done externally afaik.
Such stuff have no place in a cleanly made OS.

That would be a point of contention i.e. a bias for legacy (investment protection, boat anchor) VS a bias for pure clean OS.  

That's not how it could work on a native OS.

What about midi softsyns** (virtual midi wave table)? Also, what about software channel audio mixing, software audio reverb and chorus?  

I don’t think PowerPC G3 @800Mhz is a slow processor; it’s definitely not a Celeron/Duron Class CPU.  

**With Windows, example of softsyns is Yamaha's Soft XG50 (approximation of  Yamaha's XG-50 HW). This software can at least consume the entire 150Mhz Pentium MMX’s processing power.  But the result is very good. It beats SBlive's HW midi wave table's results. It’s not a problem when you have at least full L2 cache equipped 800Mhz CPU. This virtual device can also be use as the primary wave device (one could apply Soft XG’s reverb and  chorus).

Just like Soft XG50, virtual devices can give the user options. I’m not for one-size fits all dogma.  

[AmiGR]

Well, the problem is that all Paula using proggies, just bang it directly, without going through audio.device.
To make them work, you need a way to find out when a proggie tries to access the Paula registers,
this can be done via the MMU, by setting us a virtual
paula register setup there. Any access there would
cause a nice MMU exception, disabling the multitasking
for a while, that would have to be
passed to the emulator. That would slow down the
system a lot if it's not done in a careful and sufficiently dirty and hackish way.