Amiga.org Vs Amigaworld.net........Give us your views!

[neon32]

Too many ego's and "experts" on both sites, in my oppinion. To make a nice place to visit.

I think most people just leave or dont bother posting.. Of the 2500+ members on AW, i only ever really see about 50 of them posting.

neon32 wrote:
f the 2500+ members on AW, i only ever really see about 50 of them posting.

The same could be said of any site I'm afraid.  

@everyone,

Once again though, let's stop trying to accentuate the differences here and just accept that when a site is built, those who flock to it develop a good devotion to that particular site.

If you were to flip the coin and post a similar starting post on Amigaworld, do you not think they would both feel and post the opposite as the Amiga.org supporters in this thread.

That's what makes this thread both pointless and -- to be honest -- a bit trollish to begin with.

If you enjoy it here, great!  Thank you!.  If you enjoy it there, cool as well.  Everyone should stop right now and think what good it does to sit and slice open these old and now-totally-irrelevant wounds.

We are who we are.  They are who they are, and I would bet that the same exact users are both members and users of both sites, which means that those "50 people" are actually 50 people who use both sites, so there's no real difference at all here.

(I'm tired.  goodnight.  If a mod sees this going too much more sideways, please lock it for the night, thanks.)

Wayne

[Paradox]

Now we can all see thats there are some factors that need to be addressed.

You have to respect other point of view if you dont agree just tell them politely and offer an alternative.

I must admit I have been a complete idiot sometimes but not that much to hurt someone or make them feel bad.

I think that there are to many moderators quick to ban mainly on IRC.
You know its a joke that some even dont know that software can damage hardware!! :lol: and they persist in telling me otherwise.

Agree totally with wayne and the A.org bunch on this!

Its all about respect

 :pissed:  :lol:

[koaftder]

It's easier to get banned from freenode than it is to sign into it. Things have been getting better since lilo got run over.

[DonnyEMU]

You have to respect other point of view if you dont agree gust tell them politely and offer an alternative.

Respect online is a good thing (used to be called Netiquette). However I think some moderators are too quick to censor if they don't agree with you on something.

I got in trouble at said site for suggesting something to the effect that "ANYONE" if they thought the AmigaOne would out sell Windows PCs in the next year was living in a fantasy world. Which ended up being a factual statement. Holy Obvious statements Batman!.

Also (defending people in fantasy worlds), many people live in a fantasy world. Mine, at the moment is a game called Fable. My point is the comment wasn't aimed at anyone specifically but they took it as an insult directed at everyone, which wasn't what it wasn't intended at anyone. I was threatened with being removed from the site if I ever brought it up again with another site operator.

The problem is, I am used to sites in the USA that allow for totally free speech and I realize that when I am in a website that is not in the US I am subject to their rules and regulation of the owner of the site. That fact should be mentioned in big text on the page I believe, as their rules and terms of service would be better understood.

I honestly believe in totally free speech though, and if someone wants to be nasty or look that way they should be allowed to say what they want. People aren't stupid and see things for what they are and react accordingly. You don't have to moderate that (with the exception of killing a topic that becomes a flame war).

 Differing opinions aren't wrong as long as you aren't slandering someone or maligning someone. Just because you don't agree on a point doesn't make either party wrong, it's opinion after all and isn't that the point of discussion anyway...

While polite etiquette is important, these are international sites and I believe moderation should be as light as possible to allow for free contribution because I think that makes for a better more diverse environment including sometimes a more humorous one.. Everyone has different standards for what's appropriate content.

It's like the story of the "Ugly American" who follows his own rules in another country,and offends everyone. If you come to the USA and follow your own rules we probably would respect them as we are a melting pot of many nations over the years. Airing on the the side of leniency is more diplomatic when dealing with different cultural norms and standards..

You have to be able to be open enough to see the other side of the coin.. I guess it concerns me when a site names itself after a famous USA based Amiga magazine and has different rules that wouldn't fly with people in the USA then maybe they need to make their rules better visibility so expectations of people of that culture are respected as well..

[koaftder]

@DonnyEMU

I hear you man. I agree with your over all point regarding free speech/exchange of ideas but we need to take into consideration that a website is owned by an entity, usually a person, sometimes a company or other org.

Freedom to express your self means you can stand on your own soapbox and say whatever you want, it doesn't mean another person is required to provide you with a soapbox.

What i'm trying to get at is, if you post something to a website that is not yours, you should have no expectation that your contribution will stick.

[Roj]

Personally, I enjoy both sites. A lot of work goes into them, and it shows.

Of course I can only speak about the threads that interest me here. Of those threads, Amigaworld generally has much quicker responses to news and forum posts for some reason, but a lot of it is quick "great, grand, and thanks a lot" type stuff. AO generally has slower and fewer responses but they seem to be more insightful and more thoroughly organized. AO doesn't have the initial onslaught of the congratulatory-type posts that AW has. There' s nothing wrong with that necessarily, but to me the congratulatory messages should be kept more private.

I love the Amiga and have no real preference of one site over the other, but recently I made the "mistake" of voicing a simple observation about MorphOS hardware as it compares to AmigaOS and its hardware in an AmigaOS-oriented topic on amigaworld and got a tasteless Abuse threat for voicing such a vicious pack of facts. And that's fine. I just find myself somewhat less interested in Amigaworld if such a position of silencing any opposition is to be taken by its most ardent supporters. Silence speaks volumes.

I also wish there weren't quite so many spelling errors, but far be it from me to be the grammar police. It's not that I'm pedantic or anything. It's just easier to find things with search tools when all the nouns and verbs and stuff have been spelled correctly. :-)

[dammy]

My $0.02 worth; I never post on AWN nor do I have any desire to do so in the future.

Dammy

[tomazkid]

@DonnyEMU

While polite etiquette is important, these are international sites and I believe moderation should be as light as possible to allow for free contribution because I think that makes for a better more diverse environment including sometimes a more humorous one.. Everyone has different standards for what's appropriate content.

On the contrary, I believe that International sites needs more moderation.
People have different values, and different backgrounds, a joke for me can be an insult for you, with me totally unaware of that it can be an insult from your point of view.
It is a narrow path between a joke and insult some times.

You mentioned totally free speech.
That is not possible in Europe.
Germany, Turkey and a few other countries here has laws against denying or mentioning some historical events, breaking those laws can lead to prison sentences.
Here in Sweden a site owner was recently sentenced for posts the members of his forum had made, which he did not moderate, and so on.
So basically aw.net can not allow as much "free speech" as Amiga.org can, the server is in France, and thus the French laws apply.
As Wayne wrote:

If you enjoy it here, great! Thank you!. If you enjoy it there, cool as well.

My addon to that is: We can not please you all on one single site, fortunately there still is a few Amiga-sites to choose between ;-)

[jahc]

My $0.02 worth; I never post on AWN nor do I have any desire to do so in the future.

How about commenting on aw.net threads on moobunny? Do you do that?

[Karlos]

I think the post count says it all ;-)

That said, there is one site where I have a post count of 27901 and it's only been around since 8th March 2005...

As it goes, I don't think these types of threads are particularly helpful. There's nothing wrong with prefering option A to option B, but there's always the danger of things slipping into a slagging match.

FWIW, I have an account on AmigaWorld.net too and though I'm not a frequent visitor, I do enjoy going there as well.

[guest3217]

Hi all,
There is one thing I can recall the most when thinking about my early C 64 days (....and subsequent Amiga Dazze...)
  :rtfm: I never, ever managed to do anything with my computer without the direct involvement of other users who had already stumbled over the problems I was just getting to.
In my short time on this site, I have gotten invaluable assistance from fellow Amigans who, so far, have treated me respectfully and kindly, regardless of the simplicity or complexity of the questions posted. Once, I considered myself an Amiga expert...and got payed for being so. Today, in the world of UAE/Amiga Forever, I'm a novice again, and slowly, regaining my foothold in the "new" emulated environments, thanks again, to the direct involvement of other users!
Everything else? ....skip it!
Keep up this great site....all the great sites!!

[Paradox]

A.org Rulez

I will be donating! :-o

[ajk]

@Piru

We don't really appreciate undercover "cgiirc" action on #amiga.org, it's just not polite towards the actual users there. This bit of log perhaps deserved to be posted but you could at least mention it on the channel aswell.

(If that wasn't you on the channel, sorry, but there was only one anon person on the channel at the time)

[zudobug]

hi,

Just a note to remind people that we in the #amiga.org IRC channel consider it somewhat bad form to publish chunks of log anywhere (even on this site) without permission. We don't want to end up in a situation where everyone feels they have to be careful what they say because someone will paste it all over the forums. We currently have a relaxed, friendly and open atmosphere in the channel where people can say what they want. If anyone crosses the line it's up to the operators to take action. That's the way things are and we don't want that to change.

But this is off-topic. If anyone wants to discuss it further, drop in to #amiga.org on irc.zirc.org. See the "Join Us for Live Chats!" information on the left. ;-)

-zudo

[The_Editor]

Back in the days of The big magazines...

I used to buy most of em ...

Amiga User International

Amiga Shopper

Cu Amiga

AmigaPro

Amiga Computing

At nigh on £5 a magazine it wasn't cheap but as I had no internet there was little other option.

I would glean little snippets of information from each different magazine. Not one of them had the monopoly on info.



Same with the Amiga Websites.

Fortunately it doesn't cost me an arm and a leg anymore to get that info. I have met (online) many colourful characters and I can even agree with many of their views.

It's the delivery that sucks. Thats where the moderation should step in.

As Tomazkid rightly pointed out..

Being called a Red Ankle grabber may well be acceptable in the writers country and can even be deemed funny these forums oft get read by minors.


I enjoy all the sites

But when I go on MooBunny I make sure my rugrats aint perving over my shoulder !!

:-)