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[Fester]

TheMagicM wrote:
That doesnt make any difference.  If I'm using my work laptop at home and I buy a game I can play it on my work laptop. I may not own the laptop but that doesnt mean I cant install the game on my laptop.

Yup I agree. I think this is a case of splitting hairs and getting angry over nothing, turning around and making every customer suffer for it.

Fester

[keropi]

no, the way I see it, he regged and ALL of elbox as they have admitted , were using it in their developer computers.
so, no, the example u say about the work laptop and your game is not correct, is it not piracy when u buy the game, use it in the 2-3 computers you use AND share it with your co-workers?

edit:

The version of Poseidon installed on the machine that had been presented at the Amizaduszki IS REGISTERED to a permanent employee of Elb*x. The registration had been issued through PPA. The employee is no Amiga user, he does not have (and never had) an Amiga at home and the registration is only used within the company.
< .... >
Finally, the licences sold via PPA are all V2.x licences and only one of these users have upgraded to V3.x. This one user has an Amiga, thus cannot be the one Elb*x mentions.

[TheMagicM]

if he gave out his registration to other co-workers then I understand the frustration.  Whether he has a Amiga or not doesnt make any difference.

BUT if he installed this on mutiple machines at work but they were only used by him, the just apoligize and just to make it right buy x amount of licenses.  

Kinda stupid to make the whole community pay.

[adolescent]

Chain wrote:
so for thylacine is possible to register poseidon?
Im really tempted, as price drops now at 60AUS!!
geez

Not according to the Posiedon website.  All non-OEM licenses are discontinued (Subway, Algor, etc.).  And, even OEM 2.x licenses can only be upgraded until the end of the year.  

It's really a bad situation.  Reasons aside, it's another shareware author abandoning the platform.  

[keropi]

yeah, making the whole community pay is not very nice, I agree... but since subway, algor, algor-pro and highway still have their OEM licenses, then just get this hardware! and if/when elbox makes a stack then get theirs if u wanna... it is not like the end of poseidon , I mean it runs only on 7 products, 2 are the spiders and 3 is the thyaciline... you can still get a NEW subway with a licence and an el-cheapo zorro-clockport card to use it.

[Kronos]

Well, lets say what your seeing here is just the tip of the iceberg.

Sure they might have had an "mutal" agreement over Chris providing the stack, but that "mutal" agreement didn't include {bleep}izing the PCI-card (read making it possible to charge supreme for whats really a 10$ OEM-part), nor connecting it to nasty trojans.

Remember how Elbox claimed they didn't need to buy P96, cos they would realease their own RTG-system shortly after ? Yup the claimed the same bout the USB-stack. Now lets see how far they get without one...

[weirdami]

How long has this fight been going on anyway? Has it been long enough or Elbox to have gone and written a whole new stackawhateverdeal?

What's with that website doing "Elb*x"?

[alenppc]

I do not understand how can someone hold such a grudge against Elbox for somthing so stupid. Yes, Elbox might not be the perfrect company and yes their cards are overpriced, but hey, they are one of the few, if not the only amiga hardware developer left.

So, what is Chris trying to do? To help kill Elbox? And even if he managed to do it, what would that accomplish?
A personal vendetta? Maybe, but certanly not a service to the Amiga community...

I really cannot understand this.

[Vlabguy1]

Who is this guy Chris..as he seems...like a real LOOOZER..

[adolescent]

@keropi

Then why cut off upgrades to Subway (and other E3B) product holders?  He's abandoning all classic support, not just Elbox.

Edit:  I have nothing against Chris and think his contribution to the Amiga community has been great.  After all, it's his software, so it's his right to do with it as he pleases.  I still hold out hope that another run of the Algor pro will be done (and if so that the OEM Poseidon 3.x license will be included).  The subway on clockport/kickflash just isn't a good solution for me.

[Plaz]

@TheMagicM

Sounds like someone is just trying to screw Elbox out of some extra cash

Sounds like we're only hearing part of the story.

@Kronos

Remember how Elbox claimed they didn't need to buy P96,

Reading through the website, it seems Chris had reservations and a mistrust of Elbox from the start at least partially because of P96. Elbox even appearing to mess around with the licenses couldn't look good.

@alenppc

I do not understand how can someone hold such a grudge against Elbox for somthing so stupid.

Right or wrong, if you work hard on something and you preceive someone's taking advantage, you're going to be annoyed. I've been there, most everyone has.

@Vlabguy1

Who is this guy Chris..as he seems...like a real LOOOZER..

Definitly not going to improve the situation with that.
Looks like Elbox is either going to work things out with Chris, or start writing their own stack. I wonder which is less effort and expense?

I wouldn't be suprised if this is not the end of the story.

Plaz

[X-ray]

I think you are right, Plaz. We aren't through the forth-coming attractions yet.

[JimS]

Somebody ought to look at this Vinvulum It's a chip with two USB ports on board... plus it has a CPU, with it's own USB  stack.

[keropi]

@Vlabguy1:
chris the author of the only USB stack for the amiga a "loozer"
I don't see YOU writting a usb stack, the only LOOSER is you that apparently knows nothing. go learn and then post something that worths posting.

@all:
how would you react is someone stole years of your work? the fact that elbox is one of the last hw developers on amiga gives it immunity to theft? I don't get you people. poseidon reached a stage that now IT MIGHT NEED only one more update for the 68k platform, it is a mature product and the classic amiga left the train at 233mhz cpu's. stop whinning and if you really need an amiga USB solution go buy the hardware that author granted license and is payed for.

[Crumb]

I will insist on this:

ArakAttack supports most of USB2 PCI cards (Spider1/2 included as it's a standard NEC card) using OpenPCI. Registration costs 20 Euros.

Mediator *is* supported by OpenPCI

So, what's the problem with Mediator? Simply register ArakAttack and Poseidon. Since you can buy a standard PCI card, it's around 25 Euros cheaper than buying a Spider.

If you already have a Spider you can register Guido Mersmann's ArakAttack and continue using it.

BTW Guido's ArakAttack is *faster* than Elbox driver in the same hardware.

[adolescent]

@Crumb

Again, the driver is not the issue.  The Elbox Spider I/II come with a driver.  It's the USB stack, Poseidon, that is not available.  You can not register Poseidon for ArakAttack either.